More than three dozen Republican legislators want plan to require Barack Obama to produce an original birth certificate for Arizona officials if he intends to seek reelection.

HB 2544 would forbid the secretary of state from putting a presidential candidate's name on the ballot unless certain documents were first provided. These include a sworn statements outlining where the candidate has lived for the last 14 years, that the candidate does not hold dual citizenship and that the person's allegiance "is solely to the United States of America.''

But what worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state, is that he also would have to be furnished "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.'' Without that, he said, the measure would bar him from including the candidate's name on the ballot.

"I don't know that's on MY birth certificate, for goodness sakes'' said Bennett, who was born in Tucson.

Potentially more problematic, he said, is that each state has its own system of recording births. And Bennett, who is a Republican like all of the measure's 41 sponsors, is not sure that its even possible to get an "original'' birth certificate.

For example, he said, people seeking birth certificates from many states, often for passports or other documentation, are instead furnished with a "certificate of live birth.'' That usually takes the form of a state official certifying, under oath, that there are documents on file proving a specific person was born on a specified date.

That's not all, Bennett said, pointing to the requirement for the birth certificate to have the names of the attending physician and the signatures of witnesses.

"If you were delivered at home with a midwife, does that mean you are no longer qualified to be the president of the United States?'' he asked. "If there aren't any signatures of witnesses in attendance, you're no longer qualified?''

And what, exactly, is a "long form birth certificate,'' he asked.

"Is that a standard term of art that means the same thing in all 50 states?'' Bennett continued. "And is it even available in all 50 states?''

Officially speaking, the legislation crafted by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, does not mention Obama. And Burges, who first sponsored a slightly different version of the measure last year, said it's not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she doubts he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.

"With what's happening throughout the world, that we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,'' she told Capitol Media Services when she introduced the first measure.

Burges managed to get the measure through the House last year. The bill died in the Senate.

That requirement for the "long form original,'' appears designed with Obama in mind.

Officials in Hawaii released a short-form version of the birth certificate when the issue first arose before the 2008 election.

When that failed to satisfy critics, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's health director, issued a statement saying he has "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.''

Bennett seems satisfied.

"I think he was born in Hawaii,'' he said. "I personally believe he is a U.S. citizen.''

Others sponsors of the legislation, though, apparently have their doubts.

Rep. Carl Seel, R-Phoenix, told KPNX this week he believes Obama -- and all presidential candidates -- should provide proof of their citizenship. Asked specifically if he believes Obama is a citizen, Seel responded, "I have questions about that.''

Bennett, acknowledging all the controversy, said he is sympathetic to the goal.

"I think we need a legitimate and verifiable process for candidates to demonstrate that they meet the qualifications,'' he said.

"In the case of the president's office ... the best place is at the federal level so that each state is not doing its own, different thing,'' Bennett continued. "But it seems, unfortunately obvious, that they've not sufficiently implemented such a process at the federal level or we wouldn't be having these questions.''

He added, though, that no process might be enough "in the minds of some people.''

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"Bennett continued. "But it seems, unfortunately obvious, that they've not sufficiently implemented such a process at the federal level or we wouldn't be having these questions.''"

"McCain was asked for his birth records by the US Attorney General -"

Does Bennett or these idiots here actually think that the US Attorney General would have asked for McCain's Birth records but not Obama's.

This issue has been verified over and over Obama Has proved he was a Citizen to the people that it was necessary for him to prove it to. Did Romney? Yes. and Bush? yes. And Clinton? yes. You Birthers cant seem to get that the Federal government has been doing this for many elections. McCain Knows this Romney Knows this I am sure even Arpaio knows this.

bardgal

Well, that leaves out Mitt Romney. He has dual citizenship because his father has dual citizenship (Mexico/US, having been born in Mexico.)

That makes Mitt an anchor baby too.

verniemac

Do you know that in most states people who are adopted have a falsified state issued birth certificate that lists their adoptive parents as their birth parents? They do not have access to their original long form birth certificate. Does this mean that adopted men and women can not run for President?

ernie13x

Judy Burges, have you even read the Constitution? May I suggest Article I, Sections 2 and 4? That was already covered back in the 1700's. Stop wasting our time and money! I'd like to introduce a bill that would require a Legislator to have an IQ somewhat higher than a rock!

ernie13x

Are these "politicians" still clingling to this lame argument? They don't believe their Commander-in-Chief is an American because they don't want to! Let it go!!! Our state's economy is in a shambles, health care almost non-existant thanks to this uneducated, unqualified "governor", a horrific shooting in Tuscon that still has yet to be addressed, and they want to waste our time and yes, money over a non-existant issue. Who are they serving? I guess jumping on the prejudice bandwagon worked so well for Jan Brewer, why not? This reeks of the "weapons of mass destruction" smokescreen used way too long by George Bush. Wake up people!

manini

Ummm, Auna Obama (Obama's half-sister) & his Kenyan
grandmother Obamagama are quoted in Auna's published book that stated that ole Barack "Soetoro" Obama was born in the former British hospital in Mombasa, Kenya of an American mother & Kenyan father. Therefore, ole Barry OBAMANATION was not born in Hawai'i since newly-elected Governor of Hawaii Neil Abercrombie CAN'T FIND HIS HOSPITAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE ANYWHERE THERE in the Hawai'i Bureau of Vital Statistics which the Gov runs.
BTW, ole Gov Abercrombie is a long-time friend of Obama's mom's family in Hawaii & a Dimwitcrap, too. Just connect the dots, grasshoppah & read the U.S. Constitution. Impeach OBAMA!!!!

rrjenn

The Constitution does not, in words, spell out who shall be natural-born citizens. We need a law spelling it out so that another obamanation can be prevented from happening again.

EmperorSmith

Yesterday, I got into argument with a friend on birthers, she is one. So I read the constitution and concentrated on what I thought was relevant. Then it leaded me to the 14th.

The term natural born citizen, what does it mean? Born in a US state, then McCain is not, born to both parents us citizens then Obama is not, born to 1 parent then both are. Vague because it needs to be interpreted again and again over time as society changes.

Accuracy

There are lawmakers’ bills in other states requiring presidential candidates to show birth certificate.........

Arizona's presidential citizenship bill (HB 2544) by State Rep. Judy Burges' bill, if passed, would have to be signed by Gov. Jan Brewer to become law. And it would establish a hard-and-fast criterion for all presidential candidates.

In the state of Connecticut, State Sen. Michael McLachlan, has offered proposed bill number 291, which is known as "An Act Concerning Qualifications to Appear As A Candidate For President or Vice-President On A Ballot In This State.'' Rquires future candidates for president and vice president to provide an original birth certificate before running for office in Connecticut. Also in Connecticut, SB291 has been referred to the Judiciary Committee.

In the state of Georgia, presidential citizenship bill HB37 by Rep. Bobby Franklin not only demands original birth-certificate documentation, it provides a procedure for and declares that citizens have "standing" to challenge the documentation.

In the state Indiana, Sen. Mike Delph who proposed SB114 to require candidates to provide a certified copy of their birth certificate and include an affirmation they meet the Constitution's requirements for the president

In the state of Maine, LD34 calls for a requirement for candidates for public office to provide proof of citizenship. A candidate for nomination by primary election shall show proof of United States citizenship in the form of a certified copy of the candidate's birth certificate to the Secretary of State.

In the state of Nebraska, LB654, the certification for candidates would "include affidavits and supporting documentation." It requires an affidavit that says: "I was born a citizen of the United States of America and was subject exclusively to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, owing allegiance to no other country at the time of my birth."

In the state of Montana, HB205 plan by Rep. Bob Wagner, candidates would have to document their eligibility and also provide for protection for state taxpayers to prevent them from being billed for "unnecessary expense and litigation" involving the failure of 'federal election officials' to do their duty.

In the state of Oklahoma, is SB384 and SB540. SB91 would require "proof of citizenship for certain candidates" and take the openness one step further, allowing the public access. Requires an "original" birth certificate issued by a state or the federal government.

In the state of Pennsylvania, Assemblyman Daryl Metcalfe is working on a proposal that would demand documentation of constitutional eligibility. Because there has never been an established procedure for making sure that presidential candidates meet the Constitution's requirements for being a "natural born citizen."

In the state of Texas, House Bill 295 by Rep. Leo Berman, that would require candidates' documentation. The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate's original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen.

Dale Whiting

This idiotic running commentary needs to be halted and breaths taken. Ready?

Breath in! Breath out! Now, are you ready to think?

Take whichever theory you like and defend it from the following immutible facts and logical assumptions:

Some person caused to be printed twice in a Honolulu Newspaper back in 1961 a birth announcement. That announcement proports to be for Barack Obama.

That announcement is cast in stone. One cannot go back in time and change fact. Time travel is still impossible.

Now take your theory and have it explain how whomever got elected as President of these United State in 2008 found himself in a position to have the use of that name going back to his years in grade school in Hawaii [after leaving Indonesia], college, work, law school and so forth so that he could run for President in 2008. And remember, he had to have the use of a pass port or to have traveled with his mother when he did leave for Hawaii.

Coincidence, you say? No way!
Conspiracy? Need to think again!

By comparision, your explanation would make the JFK assassination conspiracy look sane!

That is my challenge to you birthers. Those of you who sympathize with these birthers neek to think this out, too..

By comparison, your arguments would make Forest Gump look like a Nobel Physics Prize winner. Einstein's Relativity would look idiotic, as would Evolution.

On the other hand, you could be considered the missing link!

We Arizonans are making ourselves look like idiots in the national press for pursuing this matter any further. And judging from the list of birthers above, the list of idiots is growing longer day by day!

EmperorSmith

I find myself arguing for Obama when I really do not like the guy and would never vote for him. Beause some people are stupid like whitney.

EmperorSmith

Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.

EmperorSmith

truth is in fact and fact is that what can be seen and then interpreted by the court for judgment.

RollerCam

FACT: "Barrack Obama" is NOT the true, legal name of the impostor presently pretending to be the POTUS. His legal name is "Barry Soetoro."

FACT: Barry Soetoro/Obama was officially adopted by his mother's husband in Jakarta, Indonesia in the mid 1960's. His mother's husbands name? Lolo Sotoro.

FACT: Barry Soetoro became a citizen of Indonesia in the 1960's. Anyone seeking the office of President in the USA can NOT have held citizenship in any other country, EVER!

FACT: Soetoro/Obama is holding office ILLEGALLY.

There are many good people working tirelessly to right this wrong. Laws still have meaning, no matter how much the liberal/socialist/Marxists complain about it.

The truth WILL come to light. Obama will be removed from office and prosecuted for fraud. Every single document that he has signed will become null and void. You think that's not, to use the words of Joey "Hairplug" Biden, a "pretty big F'in deal?"

It sure as hell is.

rrjenn

(The Hill) — Two Republican senators are introducing a resolution that would end the constitutional right to citizenship that comes with being born on U.S. soil.

Rand Paul (Ky.) and David Vitter (La.) are introducing a resolution this week that would amend the Constitution so that a person born in the United States could only become an American citizen if one or more of his or her parents is an legal citizen, legal immigrant, or member of the armed forces, according to a joint press release Thursday.

Vitter said the legislation would help reduce illegal immigration.

“For too long, our nation has seen an influx of illegal aliens entering our country at an escalating rate, and chain migration is a major contributor to this rapid increase – which is only compounded when the children of illegal aliens born in the U.S. are granted automatic citizenship,” Vitter said. “Closing this loophole will not prevent them from becoming citizens, but will ensure that they have to go through the same process as anyone else who wants to become an American citizen.”

Paul said the legislation enforces the current immigration rules.

“Citizenship is a privilege, and only those who respect our immigration laws should be allowed to enjoy its benefits,” Paul said. “This legislation makes it necessary that everyone follow the rules, and goes through same process to become a U.S. citizen.”

rrjenn

Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room.

hoopydreams

There is so much more we have to worry about in this state than this. THIS is what our tax money to going to. Not to help our kids in school, not to build better roads, not to help secure our border, and not to help the legitimate LEGAL people in this state get the health care they need. This is what we're spending our time and energy on. AWESOME!

091468mr

Hey, Bennett, if you're so worried about what's on your birth certificate, ask the state for a copy, idiot. Who do you think you're kidding? When I recently got a passport, I was required to produce an original birth certificate from Missouri. I had no problem. If Missouri won't produce my birth certificate, I sure as "h" can in one minute. God, another mormon! Just what this state does NOT need.

PortTabacco

I'm no expert on this subject but wouldn't the fact that Barack Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen be enough proof of his
eligibility?

I don't get it? [wink]

levotb

The Sec. of State is clearly a believer that Soetoro-Obama was born in Hawaii, so he's of course going to take the above position. However, he's apparently ignorant of some facts that make Soetoro-Obama ineligible.

First, Soetoro-Obama isn't eligible for TWO reasons completely separate from the b/c issue 1) Even he admitted that his father is a foreign national, a subject of England and 2) Soetoro-Obama became an Indonesian citizen when he lived with his stepfather and went to school there. A third reason connected with #2 is 3) He may not have properly/legally entered the U.S. in Hawaii when he returned with his mother from Indonesia, making him an illegal alien.

quercus1

For those Obama supporters - I would check out the actual law before commenting on the Obama birth issue. The constitution says a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Both parents need to be citizens or the child has to be born on US soil. One only has to look at the laws in effect at the time of his birth to find the truth. new laws did not come into effect until 1986. They did not grant citizenship retroactively.

Under special circumstances citizenship could be conferred if the child was born outside of the US, but the birth had to be in a US territory, embassy or province. This was the case for John McCain. Both of his parents were US citizens living in Panama, a US territory at the time.

Obama's father was not a citizen of this country. He was at the time a Kenyan national under the subject of Great Britain.

Obama's citizenship is in question because his mother was not old enough along with the residency requirement to confer citizenship to him. At the time of his birth , his mother was 18.

According to FindLaw.com, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

The uproar about the birth certificate is a non issue. Even if he was born in this country, the other requirements disqualified him. His mother needed to be at least 21 to pass citizenship to him.

EmperorSmith

off base but our presidents predecessor invade Iraq. I'm sure we all are watching the news and do any of you remember when Britain and France invaded to secure the canal. That canal has to stay open.

Richka

Good post Dave. I totally agree with you. The only thing that really bothers me about Obama is that he fails to see and act upon the border and illegal issues, which puts a huge drain on our economy.

As an AMERICAN president, he should put americans first. It's not where he was born or who his parents are, it's only about having american's best interest at heart. And yes, I voted for him, but will not do so again if his stand on back door amnesty has not changed by next election year. .

Freethinker

Snipes screamed:
"McCAIN WAS NOT "FIGHTING FOR HIS COUNTRY" IN PANAMA. HE WAS AN INFANT."

His father was on active duty - that's WHY they were in Panama!
Please, Snipes, THINK before you reply.

Dale Whiting bleated:

Poor Dale...he doesn't take losing graciously.

Oh, and Dale? It's SOUL. ;)

East Valley Dave

When are you people gonna get over the fact that President Obama is an American? An African-American. I think that's the part you folks can't seem to deal with. He won a landslide election. He is an American just like you and I. An American smarter and a bit more compassionate than most of the commenters here, and certainly more qualified than. Get over it.

Richka

@wdgnas... There is no need for businesses to shut down if they employ legal workers. The ones that break the law by hiring illegals should be fined large sums of money.

American workers need the jobs to support their families. I refuse to do any business with companies that violate the law. Last week I terminated a landscaping job at my home after the crew arrived and most of the workers couldn't speak a word of english. I believe that american jobs should go to american citizens.

EmperorSmith

Interesting what Dale says. I imagine the only way to be sure is to fly to HI and look at the microfilm in the local library.

Believe no what you hear and half of what you see but run off on some political tangent without seeing the facts is stupid.

Personally, I don't care because it doesn't matter. Say even if he was born in Kenya. What do you think the courts would do or how long it would take. Let's focus on more realistic issues that effect our day to day lives.

Accuracy

Dale Whiting's challenge: To explain why reasonable people assert any reasonable prospect that the President was not born in Hawaii??

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Explaining that (Barack Hussein Obama Jr. was not born in Hawaii) has nothing to do with the Arizona's presidential citizenship bill (HB 2544) effort to require presidential candidates to show their birth certificate if they want to get on the state's ballot.

The U.S. Constitution stipulates that only “a natural-born citizen,” or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of the President.”

Born in the U.S.A.?? Until Obama releasing his original long-form birth certificate, the media will keep on condemning what they call "birthers" movement which questions Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility.

Kimberly

It looks like John McCain got to Ken Bennett. Nobody wanted Obama to win the election more than McCain - and he constantly sings Obama's praises.

Ken Bennett is a RINO who never rocks the boat. That's not what his constituents want.

I have to produce a birth certificate whenever asked. If the federal government won't do the job - states MUST!

Very disappointed in Bennett and Jon Kyl who both sing the same song on Obama's birth. McCain is hopeless and a deceiver.

Dale Whiting

So far not a sole has taken up my challenge to explain why reasonable people assert any reasonable prospect that the President was not born in Hawaii like the local newspapers contemporaneously report that he was.

Are any of you out there equipped with a mind? Apparently not!

Accuracy

Arizona's presidential citizenship bill (HB 2544) worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state.

Why? Because the bill would prohibit Arizona's secretary of state from listing on the ballot any candidate who does not meet these requirements: Along with an original long-form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.

Arizona State Rep. Judy Burges has revived her effort to require presidential candidates to show their birth certificate if they want to get on the state's ballot. Along with Burges, nearly 30 other representatives and senators - all Republicans - are listed as co-sponsors of HB 2544.

The proposal comes out of a fringe movement that believes President Obama, whose father was from Kenya, did not meet the citizenship requirements to run in 2008.

In fact, no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate exist for Barack Hussein Obama Jr. in the state of Hawaii. Neither, Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, have any record of Barack Hussein Obama Jr. having been born in their medical facilities.

Barack Hussein Obama still refusals to make public his records, from the 'long-form' (ie, including detailed information documenting the birth, including the name of the birth hospital, attending physician, and with physician’s signature) birth certificate.

That’s why Arizona's presidential citizenship bill (HB 2544) requiring presidential candidates to show birth certificate is needed in this state.

missy janie47

Mr. Bennett, why would this bill make you uncomfortable? There are at least 6 states doing the same thing. Is it really untoward to stand up and say to any candidate, We the People would like to vet your qualifications based on the Constitution of the USA, to run for the office you seek.
Have you been contacted by George Soros, or one of his minions?
I suspect your discomfort is based in all the controversy that has gone before because of all the secreted papers involving our current president. The Freedom of Information Act should have sufficed here, but our newest Supreme has secreted all info that we should be able to see. I suppose that's how she(who was also not qualified for the position based on experience) got the nod in the first place. Very cozy.
I say it is time to peal back the curtain. Saul Alinsky tactics will come like arrows, don't be cowed.

snipes

megagagnon wrote:
"penalizing someone for fighting for your country is idiotic."

I agree! And I never claimed McCain was not qualified...boy, some people sure like to read into things!
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McCAIN WAS NOT "FIGHTING FOR HIS COUNTRY" IN PANAMA. HE WAS AN INFANT.

rtardjenn wrote:
"Freethinker, are you an idiot?"
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PERHAPS

Not at all, rrjenn.
Are you an illiterate bigot?
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YES, DEFINATELY.

Wdyafo

The main problem is unknowing people not keeping up with what’s going on in our Country and then want to chime in like they know something.
Up to date, Obama has spent over 2 million dollars of our money defending his right not to provide it. There isn’t one official in Washington willing to swear they have actually seen it.
Pelosi and Reed accepted the certificate of live birth and signed off on that. We have got to stop looking the other way when it comes to our laws concerning the rich. There was a reason our founders put this in our Constitution. Does Obama really seem like he has a love for our Country or does his decisions look like someone who feels America has been on top for too long?
And by the way, you can’t get a passport with a certificate of live birth.

Dale Whiting

Ok, all of you, from Freethinker, past Rich [who usually knows the score] to rrjenn [who almost never knows the score],

Where the 14th discusses natural born citizens in terms of being born within the United State AND of parents subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, we have two interesting exceptions [all easily - but for Freethinker- understood] both of which have been discussed over and over again on this webcite [spelling which Freethinker perfers].

Diplomates and their dependends are not subject to US jurisdiction and for a long long time, neither were American Indians [provided they still had an affiliation with a recognized Tribe and its government]. The tribal exception was dropped when we God Blessed Americans wised up. [But interestingly, Tribal Governments still have some equal standing with State Governments]. And the geography on which one could be native born was expanded to include not only the separate states, but also US territories and possessions [including Washington D.C. which was split off of Maryland] and such lands over which the US was able to adminster its justice [The McCain example being the US held Panama Canal Zone]. [Hawaii was a state when the President was born. I forget when we took Hawaii over.]

Whether Freethinker got this info from me or knew it all along is something she is not likely to admit.

But, kids, where the Honolulu Newspapers contemporaneously reported Barack H. Obama as a live birth, those who express doubts about his being natural born somehow overlook this compelling and dispositive collateral evidence. My only question in this stream of stupidity is "Why are these newspapers being overlooked?" And so far, I cannot devise any reasonable explanation other than 1) stupidity or 2) bigotry.

Any of you care to take a go at finding other answers to this question? Apparently Arizona is on the Jersey wrong side of the river!

wdgnas

richka: why don't i hear you clamoring for closing down businesses that hire illegal immigrants?

Sansego

Like Freethinker said, you have a senator that can be questioned about his birth, kind of telling about these Arizonians. With all that has been released, these nuts will never be satisfied. He put his birth certificate up publicly for all to see, Hawaiian newspapers with birth announcements, no evidence that his mother was out of the country at the time ( for those saying he was born in Kenya). These people will never be satisfied. He can post all of the info they want and it will be something else. You just can't do anything for these types of people.

mlhtmilldr

Why spend two million dollars to hide all your information? He either lied about his B C not being born here or his college application states he was from another country. Either way he is hiding or lying about something...

RobertSC

Of all the problems we face in this country and these morons still insist on beating a dead horse. If you can't do the work you were elected to do, then resign and let someone else take over.

Ronnie

Well, well, it seems some here don't care if the President was elected under false conditions as set out by the constitution? You know, it never amazes me that Liberals have no code of honor, belief in God or Country, a lie will do just as good. Hooray for Arizona, the best state in America, one that demands freedom and Liberty for all and that the rule of law matters.

EmperorSmith

I have no hero in DC.

usnveteran

So, if a person does not meet the standard proposed, would that bring that person's US citizenship into question and not just keep him/her from running for President of the United States?

If the standard is in essence a citizenship test, shouldn't that standard be applied to every person in Arizona?

And, if there isn't a single person in Arizona who can meet this standard, does that make Arizona a foreign country?

I, like John McCain and many others, was born on foreign soil and served this country most of my life while active in two wars. I am honored to have fought for the freedoms that I so deeply believe in, even when I see those freedoms squandered.

U_are_Idiots

McCain was not born on U.S. soil, so he is not a Naturalized Citizen. Far as stating his Parent's are Americans, so is Obama's Mother, which by law makes him a Citizen. For all the idiots and Birthers, Obama's was released, it came with the title of "Live Birth", and you idiots said that is not valid for it did not say "Birth". States have their own forms so Arizona shows me they have not changed, were treason Supporters in the Civil War and still are. Should have made Arizona smaller and Texas broken into 7 States. What do you expect from the uneducated, who do not even UNDERSTAND the Constitution.

Alaska49er

It finally occured to me the problem with the racist south. You've got too much good weather! That gives you leisure time to come up with your wackadoodle ideas. Come up to Alaska and freeze your rear end off. You have to be a real man or woman to make it. You don't have time for this stuff, unless you're SARAH! Oh yea, didn't some of her family move down there? Good RIDDANCE!!!

right wing fanatic

I cannot be prouder of my state legislators. Arizona is second in the country in poverty, second to last in education and among the top 5 most bankrupt states. But instead of backing away from problems, they are tackling them head on by introducing legislation that will keep all those commie loving, terrorist sponsoring, illegals from being on the ballot. While they are at it, I hope they pass legislation mandating that office holders in Arizona pass the high school equivalency test cause we don't want no one speaking English good or thinking too hard. For all those liberal fanatics out there who think government is so good, take a look at examples of countries without government that we should copy. Mexico, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan. Long live freedom.

Richka

@TrueAmerican...The people in Phoenix are no different than those in Tucson. There are great people in both cities as well as some bad apples.

Rich

Looking at it about as objectively as I can, I really can't state with certainty that Obama is a natural born citizen. One one side of have the words of American politicians and bureaucrats who only tell the truth when there is no way out of it or by accident. On the other I have the simple fact that a document is being hidden, is lost or never existed. Factually, that's it.

Since the government has decided to take over our medical care, and this man will literally hold our lives, and deaths in his hand, I don't think it is even slightly unreasonable, and certainly should not be illegal for us to see about anything that pertains to him from the moment a doctor slapped his rear end. If not, I think he should be treated as anyone else would be by an employer who we refused to show our qualifications to. And being his employer, I think we probably should.

TrueAmerican

Its a good thing the people of Tucson make up for the ignorant people of Phoenix, the other country in Arizona, the dumb one.

Richka

It sounds like a head butting contest. Obama fights Arizona and Arizona fights back. For the sake of Arizona and the rest of the country, I hope that everyone will stand up against Obama and the feds in the fight to stop illegal immigration. We all need to fight to stop our tax dollars being used for illegals and end the automatic birth right for the children of illegals. The problem of illegals invading our country would come to a screeching halt. With no jobs, welfare, health care and free education for illegals, there wouldn't be any incentives for them to come. Simple math tells us that we would be saving billions of dollars by eliminating incentives for illegals. This money could be spend on fortifying our border. Until the border is secure, we should treat border jumpers as the criminals they are.


I personally believe that Obama has dual citizenship, born to an american mother and a father from Kenya. And I know for a fact that many illegals vote in elections.

Freethinker

megagagnon wrote:
"penalizing someone for fighting for your country is idiotic."

I agree! And I never claimed McCain was not qualified...boy, some people sure like to read into things!

rtardjenn wrote:
"Freethinker, are you an idiot?"

Not at all, rrjenn.
Are you an illiterate bigot?

Ronnie

There is another question that is more serious, did Palosi, Reid and biden who used two different Venting certificates do so to allow Obama to run for office? Is this Treason, the computer says, Yes?

TrueAmerican

As an Arizonian by birth, I am ashamed of Arizona, what is the matter with people in Arizona, are they becoming the most ignorant people in the country?

Hawaii acknowledges Obama's birth, this entire bill is designed to make not only Hawaii look corrupt, but to embarrass the president, because everyone knows why this bill was brought about, you can't pretend its something else.

Arizona, grow up, stop being ignorant and a joke in the country.

Ronnie

If Obama has nothing to hid then what's the big deal, is it that Liberals know Obama can not pass the constitutional test to be president? If Obama had a U.S. birth certificate he would have shown the American public by now. A computer program calculated the chance of Obama being a U.S. citizen, there is a 97.6% chance he is not? Even a computer knows he is not a natural born citizen.

megagagnon

McCain was asked for his birth records by the US Attorney General - he provided them within 24 hours. Then a non-binding resolution asserting McCain's eligibility was passed by the Senate. Both his parents were US citizens. He was birthed just outside of the Canal Zone because they didn't have maternity facilities there. So yes, he was just barely outside of the US Canal Zone, but penalizing someone for fighting for your country is idiotic.

Freethinker

Funny how everyone clamoring for Obama's birth certificate fail to realize that their hero, McCain, WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.

He was born in Panama.

And no one, NO ONE gave him any grief over it.

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