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Faith, conflict and excommunication

Lawn Griffiths, Tribune Columnist

October 5, 2007 - 10:46PM , updated: November 7, 2007 - 9:29PM

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Mormons have called themselves “a peculiar people,” a group set apart and forged by the adversity of the church’s history and grounded by its distinct teachings.

Read Lawn Griffiths' Blog 'Beyond Belief'

Known for wholesome family life, close-knit support of each other, a model welfare system and detailed order in all they do, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also have a natural desire to be accepted and to belong. The church works hard for legitimacy as a bona fide Christian faith. But detractors pore through the church’s considerable writings and cannot reconcile their findings with “accepted” or orthodox Christian tenets and practices.

Church leaders say they don’t need others to give them a Christian seal of approval.

The made-in-America church can’t seem to fully shake its polygamist past, and it raises eyebrows about secret temple rites and afterlife attainment of “exaltation” and “godhood” through full obedience on earth.

“The Excommunication of Lyndon Lamborn” could be the title of a movie coming soon to a theater near you.

The critics of Tribune articles about the Mesa man going public with his ouster from the church for apostasy have dismissed them as a gimmick to sell newspapers — and dismissed Lamborn as one isolated, disgruntled member out of 13 million Mormons. From the moment I first read Lamborn’s e-mails and then sat down and interviewed him, I recognized him as a highly educated, articulate and sincere man who had put his 49 years of life into trying to live the Mormon way. His church assignments across 30 years are unimpeachable, as a missionary, Boy Scout leader, teacher and more. The engineer and father of three doesn’t come across as strident or a publicity seeker, nor someone vindictive. He says he wanted to leave the church quietly through the stroke of authorities’ pens.

Unlike so many people who come to me dissatisfied with their own church, Lamborn, a fourth-generation Mormon, arrived equipped with a large body of written work, references for his investigation, and a solid narrative of his quest to find truth. He believes that claims of the church are refuted by evidence.

Lamborn’s stake president wrote him Sept. 2 that he intended to have bishops in the wards (eight in all) announce his excommunication for apostasy on Sept. 23. Lamborn believed that rare step was planned because, during a disciplinary council on Aug. 19 with 15 church leaders, “I was pretty much in your face with the brethren. ... I wouldn’t consent to any rules.” He was informed that even with excommunication, he could attend regular meetings and services, but could not “give a talk” and “offer a public prayer.” Lamborn said it made no sense that he couldn’t pray for his friends inside a chapel. He even suggested they could get a court injunction to “prevent me from coming because you have no authority over me.”

Those announcements to priesthood and Relief Society groups in wards were never made. I spoke with stake President R. James Molina two days before the scheduled announcement and told him that Lamborn had contacted the Tribune and was furious over the plan to make his excommunication public. That Sunday, Lamborn said he asked Molina about the change of plan. Molina told him he had been undecided all along about having the announcement read and that, with the Tribune article Sept. 23, any announcement was unnecessary because word would surely get around.

Molina chose not to tell the Tribune why he canceled, or delayed, the announcement.

So many of the more than 1,400 online comments made on two articles I wrote about Lamborn revolved around whether Mormons are able to freely investigate the church’s history and teachings and how much pressure there is to be loyal or unquestioning. Some wrote of being disciplined, of being warned against sharing concerns and doubts about the church with others, and of being excommunicated themselves. But a great many defended the church. An example is “James,” who said the Book of Mormon is “the plainest and purest message of the gospel of Jesus Christ ever written.” Unlike the Old and New Testaments, “there is something sweeter about the Book of Mormon,” he said. “As I have read it over the last 40 years, my life has been filled with joy because of it.”

Other said that true faith can remove all doubt. Other said Lamborn fell victim to the influence of heretical materials.

Lamborn said he believes that the church went into “damage control” when he first shared his doubts with his bishop and stake president. He revealed he had discussed those same concerns about church teachings with his five brothers, all of whom had gone on two-year church missions and were active in their wards. “The following week, all the bishops of my brothers had received a phone call, and each of my brothers got a visit from the 'men in black’ over the next 30 days,” he said. “They were each questioned about their beliefs.”

Many Mormons say that Lamborn could not have been easily sheltered about the church’s polygamist history as he had claimed.

“Polygamy is not hidden. ... Polygamy is discussed openly in the church, and it is in all of our history books,” wrote Jean White of Maricopa. “Many members can trace their heritage to polygamist homes.” She said during the early years of the church, a time of persecution, “there were many parentless children and widows who had lost children and mates. We were a hunted people at times.”

“We are not ashamed of our history,” White said. “When the government said it was outlawed, it was discontinued.”

Most of Lamborn’s friendships are with church members, relationships he wants to keep. “They know me and trust me and are tolerant of the fact that I may not believe the way they do and vice versa,” he said. He talks about “recovery from Mormonism” but says he has no immediate plans to embrace any other religion.

“I am sure the correct path will present itself to me in time,” he said.

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exmo

Sorry if this is a repeat--I posted and it didn't come up...


For those who are asking, why are we arguing about this? Who cares? If you really want to understand why we argue these things, why it matters....
It is personal, and eternal.
I was born and raised LDS, bared my personal testimony for years, did baptisms for the dead in the Mesa Temple, read the Book of Mormon, etc.... and then found out, over and over again that all of it was a lie. Having been someone who was truly a believer in the LDS church, studied it for three years, and then leaving, I have to comment. It isn't so much that Joseph was a polygamist. That is simply a starting place. It is that when you peel back that layer, there is another. Brigham Young teaching that Adam was really God. (Do an internet search, it is in Journal of Discourses, a Church publication). If you saw the movie September Dawn, you heard the blood atonement doctrines, also in official documents. Peel another layer. The Book of Mormon is not a historical document, as the Bible is. Another layer. The false prophecies in the Doctrine and Covenants and beyond. Another layer. Origins of the Temple ceremonies. Another layer. Reformed Egyptian--a language that doesn't exist but is what was translated for the Book of Mormon. Another layer. The papryi that became the Book of Abraham, but ended up being a common burial papryi put into Egyptian Tombs. Another layer. Joseph Smith's failed bank in Kirkland, and the bankruptcies. All this is easily researched, starting with the internet and spending a little money at Deseret books or your stakehouse library. And don't think the social, economic and family pressure isn't enormous. Especially in Mesa.
(This is part of a post I made on the other site, where the original article is.)

My family is still in the church. They chose not to read what I had read. We both believe that the other's ETERNAL DESTINY is at stake here. We are both very sad for the other, and very concerned for the other. My hope is that others can read what is on these blogs and maybe see the truth. The post under the original article on page 108 talks about it. Page 109 discusses archeological problems I found in the Book of Mormon. Page 110 discusses a FEW of the false prophecies of Joseph Smith. 158, check out quotes under "taught at home". and 166 under the other exmo.

We talk about it, on both sides, because it is important, and we feel compelled to do it. Suggest removal of this comment
October 9, 2007

MEADOW MOUNTAIN MASSACRE: LDS Refer to this as "MMM", nice shortened version!

Siege (September 7–September 11, 1857)
A witness said that a Mormon Indian Agent, John D. Lee, left his home in Harmony on September 6, 1857 in the company of 14 Native Americans and headed toward Mountain Meadows.[136] In the early morning of Monday, September 7[137] the Arkansan "Fancher" party began to be attacked by as many or more than 200 Paiutes[138] and Mormon militiamen disguised as Native Americans. The Fancher party defended itself by encircling and lowering their wagons, wheels chained together, along with digging shallow trenches and throwing dirt both below and into the wagons, which made a strong barrier. Seven emigrants were killed during the opening attack and were buried somewhere within the wagon encirclement. Sixteen more were wounded. The attack continued for five days, during which the besieged families had little or no access to fresh water and their ammunition was depleted.[76]


Map of the Meadows
by Josiah F. GibbsAccording to one report, they attempted to send a little girl to a nearby spring for water, dressed in white, and she was fired upon, but escaped unharmed back to the camp.[139] When two emigrant horsemen attempted to retrieve water, one was shot while another escaped, but not before seeing that the shooter was a white man.

On September 9, local Mormon leader Isaac C. Haight and his counselor Elias Morris visited Dame in Parowan, where the council decided that the militia would allow the emigrants to pass safely.[140] After the Parowan council meeting, however, Haight spoke with Dame confidentially, relating the information that the emigrants probably already knew that Mormons were involved in the siege. This information changed Dame's mind, and he reportedly authorized a massacre.


[edit] Massacre

Maj. John H. Higbee, said to have shouted the command to begin the killings. According to his own story, he reluctantly participated after the massacre, only to bury the dead from what he thought was an "Indian attack".Following orders from Haight in Cedar City, 35 miles (56 km)) away, on Friday September 11 John Higbee ordered a group of militiamen not in disguise to march and stand in a formal line a half-mile from the Fanchers,[141] then Lee and William Batemen approached the Fancher-Baker party wagons with a white flag.[142][143] Lee told the battle-weary emigrants he had negotiated a truce with the Paiutes, whereby they could be escorted safely to Cedar City under Mormon protection in exchange for leaving all their livestock and supplies to the Native Americans.[76] Accepting this, they were split into three groups. Seventeen of the youngest children along with a few mothers and the wounded were put into wagons, which were followed by all the women and older children walking in a second group. Bringing up the rear were the adult males of the Fancher party, each walking with an armed Mormon militiaman at his right. Making their way back northeast towards Cedar City, the three groups gradually became strung out and visually separated by shrubs and a shallow hill. After about 2 kilometers Higbee gave the prearranged order, "Do Your Duty!"[144] Each Mormon then turned and killed the man he was guarding. All of the men, women, older children and wounded were massacred by Mormon militia and Paiutes who had hidden nearby.

A few victims who escaped the initial slaughter were quickly chased down and killed. Two teenaged girls, Rachel and Ruth Dunlap, managed to climb down an embankment to hide among oak trees for a time, but were spotted by a Paiute chief from Parowan, who took them to Lee. Lee ordered the girls killed despite pleadings for mercy by the chief and the girls. Captain Carleton[145] mentions that the sisters were later found naked with slit throats. This scene was vividly recounted in a turn-of-the-century exposé by Gibbs.[146]


[edit] Spared children and distribution of spoils

Christopher "Kit" Fancher, a massacre survivor, who was four years old at the time, was the son of Captain Alexander Fancher. He said, "He and...his little sister Tryphena, were taken and placed in Mormon homes....[Kit] was called "Charley" by the Mormons."[147] After two years, the siblings were returned to family in Arkansas
Survivor Nancy Sephrona Huff, four years old at tragedy, "was taken away by John Willis, whom she lived with until she was returned to relatives in Arkansas two years later."[148]Approximately seventeen children were deliberately spared because of their age.[149] In the hours following the massacre Lee directed Philip Klingensmith, Samuel McMurdy,[150] and possibly J. Willis and Samuel Knight[151] to take the children (a few of whom were wounded) to the nearby farm of Jacob Hamblin, a local Indian Agent.[152] From there, the children were taken to Cedar City, where foster parents were found among local Mormon families.[153]

After searching the bodies for valuables, Lee, Higbee, and Klingensmith made speeches and ordered the participants not to tell anyone, including their wives, and to blame the massacre on the Native Americans alone.[154] Dame and Haight arrived at the scene late that night and stayed at the Hamblin ranch; they were not present during the massacre.

On September 12, 1857, the many dozens of bodies were hastily dragged into gullies and other low lying spots, then lightly covered with surrounding material which was soon blown away by the weather, leaving the remains to be scavenged and scattered by wildlife.[76] After the hasty burials, the participants gathered at the emigrant camp for a council, where Dame, Haight, and other church and military leaders thanked the participants for their zeal, and thanked God for delivering their enemies into their hands.[155] The militia then performed the Mormon prayer circle ordinance, during which they again made sacred oaths not to reveal the role of Mormons in the massacre.[156]

The Paiutes reportedly received a portion of the Fancher-Baker party's significant livestock holdings as compensation for their part in the massacre. Many of the murdered emigrants' other belongings (including blood stained and bullet-riddled clothing stripped from the victims' corpses) were brought to Cedar City and stored in the cellar of an LDS warehouse as "property taken at the siege of Sevastopol."[157] There are conflicting accounts as to whether these items were auctioned off or simply taken by members of the local population. Surviving children saw Mormons wearing their parents' clothing and jewelry.[158
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October 9, 2007

TO JAMES

yOU'RE RIGHT! John D. Lee did give a bill for supplying the indians with supplies, including the cattle (spoils) from the Meadow Mountain Massacre.

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October 9, 2007

Hellmut

Right on, Elizabeth. I am with you.

Surely, you will agree with me that it would be a lot easier to let go, if Mormon leaders like President James Molina would not malign Lyndon Lamborn for obeying his conscience.

If the LDS Church would stop interfering in our families, may be, we could get over it. As it is, it is a matter of protecting ourselves, our families, and our reputations, we have no choice but to confront our abusers.

The other aspect of Mormon culture that you are not taking into account, Elizabeth, is the careful socialization of little children by the LDS Church. Is it really right to send little children to the pulpit to proclaim their love for their parents and the truth of Mormonism?

Is it right to have two year olds sing songs about following the prophet or going on missions? When the LDS Church does that, those memories will not leave a person's mind ever.

It seems to me that those children have every right to engage Mormonism when they decide as adults that this religion is not for them.

Most of us would love to leave Mormonism behind but as we have seen here, Mormons will refer to us as sinners and philanderers. Our parents are unwilling to respect our conscience. And LDS leaders tell them not to associate with our spouses.

It would make me happy if you exercised your influence so that we can exercise our religious commitments freely.

You might begin by having a conversation about the freedom of religion with President James Molina and by letting your neighbors know that Lyndon Lamborn is not a bad person but only obeying his conscience and those who malign him are bad neighbors. Suggest removal of this comment
October 10, 2007
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