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Faith, conflict and excommunication

Lawn Griffiths, Tribune Columnist

October 5, 2007 - 10:46PM , updated: November 7, 2007 - 9:29PM

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Mormons have called themselves “a peculiar people,” a group set apart and forged by the adversity of the church’s history and grounded by its distinct teachings.

Read Lawn Griffiths' Blog 'Beyond Belief'

Known for wholesome family life, close-knit support of each other, a model welfare system and detailed order in all they do, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also have a natural desire to be accepted and to belong. The church works hard for legitimacy as a bona fide Christian faith. But detractors pore through the church’s considerable writings and cannot reconcile their findings with “accepted” or orthodox Christian tenets and practices.

Church leaders say they don’t need others to give them a Christian seal of approval.

The made-in-America church can’t seem to fully shake its polygamist past, and it raises eyebrows about secret temple rites and afterlife attainment of “exaltation” and “godhood” through full obedience on earth.

“The Excommunication of Lyndon Lamborn” could be the title of a movie coming soon to a theater near you.

The critics of Tribune articles about the Mesa man going public with his ouster from the church for apostasy have dismissed them as a gimmick to sell newspapers — and dismissed Lamborn as one isolated, disgruntled member out of 13 million Mormons. From the moment I first read Lamborn’s e-mails and then sat down and interviewed him, I recognized him as a highly educated, articulate and sincere man who had put his 49 years of life into trying to live the Mormon way. His church assignments across 30 years are unimpeachable, as a missionary, Boy Scout leader, teacher and more. The engineer and father of three doesn’t come across as strident or a publicity seeker, nor someone vindictive. He says he wanted to leave the church quietly through the stroke of authorities’ pens.

Unlike so many people who come to me dissatisfied with their own church, Lamborn, a fourth-generation Mormon, arrived equipped with a large body of written work, references for his investigation, and a solid narrative of his quest to find truth. He believes that claims of the church are refuted by evidence.

Lamborn’s stake president wrote him Sept. 2 that he intended to have bishops in the wards (eight in all) announce his excommunication for apostasy on Sept. 23. Lamborn believed that rare step was planned because, during a disciplinary council on Aug. 19 with 15 church leaders, “I was pretty much in your face with the brethren. ... I wouldn’t consent to any rules.” He was informed that even with excommunication, he could attend regular meetings and services, but could not “give a talk” and “offer a public prayer.” Lamborn said it made no sense that he couldn’t pray for his friends inside a chapel. He even suggested they could get a court injunction to “prevent me from coming because you have no authority over me.”

Those announcements to priesthood and Relief Society groups in wards were never made. I spoke with stake President R. James Molina two days before the scheduled announcement and told him that Lamborn had contacted the Tribune and was furious over the plan to make his excommunication public. That Sunday, Lamborn said he asked Molina about the change of plan. Molina told him he had been undecided all along about having the announcement read and that, with the Tribune article Sept. 23, any announcement was unnecessary because word would surely get around.

Molina chose not to tell the Tribune why he canceled, or delayed, the announcement.

So many of the more than 1,400 online comments made on two articles I wrote about Lamborn revolved around whether Mormons are able to freely investigate the church’s history and teachings and how much pressure there is to be loyal or unquestioning. Some wrote of being disciplined, of being warned against sharing concerns and doubts about the church with others, and of being excommunicated themselves. But a great many defended the church. An example is “James,” who said the Book of Mormon is “the plainest and purest message of the gospel of Jesus Christ ever written.” Unlike the Old and New Testaments, “there is something sweeter about the Book of Mormon,” he said. “As I have read it over the last 40 years, my life has been filled with joy because of it.”

Other said that true faith can remove all doubt. Other said Lamborn fell victim to the influence of heretical materials.

Lamborn said he believes that the church went into “damage control” when he first shared his doubts with his bishop and stake president. He revealed he had discussed those same concerns about church teachings with his five brothers, all of whom had gone on two-year church missions and were active in their wards. “The following week, all the bishops of my brothers had received a phone call, and each of my brothers got a visit from the 'men in black’ over the next 30 days,” he said. “They were each questioned about their beliefs.”

Many Mormons say that Lamborn could not have been easily sheltered about the church’s polygamist history as he had claimed.

“Polygamy is not hidden. ... Polygamy is discussed openly in the church, and it is in all of our history books,” wrote Jean White of Maricopa. “Many members can trace their heritage to polygamist homes.” She said during the early years of the church, a time of persecution, “there were many parentless children and widows who had lost children and mates. We were a hunted people at times.”

“We are not ashamed of our history,” White said. “When the government said it was outlawed, it was discontinued.”

Most of Lamborn’s friendships are with church members, relationships he wants to keep. “They know me and trust me and are tolerant of the fact that I may not believe the way they do and vice versa,” he said. He talks about “recovery from Mormonism” but says he has no immediate plans to embrace any other religion.

“I am sure the correct path will present itself to me in time,” he said.

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GG

Daisy,
Check out

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/98035?cp=160#comments

there are plenty of intellectual arguments going on over there. Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

Mayan Elephant

whats your point daisy?

will it flatter your to know that i agree with you? are you impressed to know that like you, i have little hope and zero expectations, that the church will change? is that your point?

the church will not change fast enough. it will not cease to be misogynist fast enough for those that are hurt and pained by its current positions. it will not cease to be homosexist. it will not recover from its racist roots fast enough.

you are exactly right in pointing out that a frenzy will create no change. with octogenarians so entrenched in their fears and phobias. little will change. that is known. however, how much are you willing to defend and how much insult are you prepared to project onto others in the name of your religion? this is not just your religion. there are many that disagree with you, do you want to embrace them? accept them? or host a court and excommunicate them? Comment has been reviewed
October 8, 2007

Hey Guys

We are all wasting are time and have better things to do, but Daisy doesn't!
Why do people come on here read all the comments, and go on about how much time weve wasted, and how pointless it is?
Obviously, we don't think were wasting our time and we don't care what you think. Get over it. Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

To Daisy or is it Dazee..

Must be James and his buddies prepearing to load up the blog again, (like the other blog on this subject) with massive writings that no one would read, except whomever wrote them.

You LDS refuse to answer the questions posed on both these blogs, instead patting yourselves on the back, for the meaningless crap you learned at your church

Can you answer the questions? .

1. Does your President speak and act for God?

2. Please justify the Meadow Mountain Massacre, so that we may all rest once we understand why Mormons murdered over 120 unarmed men, women and yes CHILDREN.

3. Do you think it may be a bit coincidental that your President had a "revelation" soon after being warned firmly by the U.S. Government to stop polygamy?

4. After your president had a "revelation" to stop polygamy in 1890, and that coincided with U.S. Government threat.
Why did the president of the LDS Church continue to perform and sanction the polygamous marriages after the agreement to abide by U.S. Law, and don't forget he also had a revelation from God.
So, that means your president was disobeying God by sanctioning more marriages after the REVELATION, doesn't it? Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

Here's one for you James!

Listen you guys. Just give up the truth and they'll quit bothering you.

There was MOTIVATION and JUSTIFICATION for the Meadow Mountain Massacre....

2. MOTIVATION: Let's admit the facts boys, the Mormons were literally scraping by in Utah. The true MOTIVATION for the murders of these UNARMED people, was that their wagon train contained massive amounts of gold, money, supplies, expensive cattle, really high dollar horses. Basically, the evil, greedy MORMONS needed their stuff!


2. JUSTIFICATION: Mitt Romney's G-g-grandfather had recently been murdered, shot in the back in Arkansas. We all know why, but let's not go there. FYI; his name was Parley P. Pratt and he was one of the original Twelve Apostles to the Mormon Church, as was his brother Orson Pratt.
In any case, his murder was the JUSTIFICATION for the murder of 120 UNARMED men, women and children who were part of that wagon train from ARKANSAS. Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

MEADOW MOUNTAIN MASSACRE

Listen you guys. Just give up the truth and they'll quit bothering you.

There was MOTIVATION and JUSTIFICATION for the Meadow Mountain Massacre....

2. MOTIVATION: Let's admit the facts boys, the Mormons were literally scraping by in Utah. The true MOTIVATION for the murders of these UNARMED people, was that their wagon train contained massive amounts of gold, money, supplies, expensive cattle, really high dollar horses. Basically, the evil, greedy MORMONS needed their stuff!


2. JUSTIFICATION: Mitt Romney's G-g-grandfather had recently been murdered, shot in the back in Arkansas. We all know why, but let's not go there. FYI; his name was Parley P. Pratt and he was one of the original Twelve Apostles to the Mormon Church, as was his brother Orson Pratt.
In any case, his murder was the JUSTIFICATION for the murder of 120 UNARMED men, women and children who were part of that wagon train from ARKANSAS. Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

MORMONS SENT A BILL TO ARMY FOR CARING FOR THE FEW TINY CHILDREN THEY LET LIVE

That's not the half of it. Not only do the MORMONS STILL JUSTIFY, even by blaming each other the massacre of these UNARMED people, get this!

U.S. Army records show that the few tiny little children that were too young to be "wittnesses" were cared for by MORMONS.

Get's better!

The U.S. ARMY came to rescue the children, and the MORMONS SUBMITED A BILL!

Yes, a bill for caring for the little heathens! (Mormon words!0

These animals killed their families, and took all their belongings, and then submitted a bill for caring for the babies they didn't kill!

THIS IS FACT.

Hey MORMON BOYS, what's your answer to this? Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

Lee

Dude, they'll simply get your blog removed! DUH!

Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

Dont start up another stupid discussion

Come on people. Live your happy lifes, move on.....enjoy your god. Stop making blame on the mormons. Enjoy and focus on your own belief system. I always thought that people who try to find fault in one religion is searching for the truth. Do not make a point to criticise the mormons or try to find incorrect data and timelines. It only makes you look foolish and your showing a bit of jealsously because your not part of theirfaith. It is kinda like the kid on hte playground making fun of the kids he envies or is jealous. He is trying to make him look good. Suggest removal of this comment
October 8, 2007

Elizabeth

I have to agree with Miss Daisy.... I think you guys protest WAY too much..

All religions from the beginning of time have had righteous members and unrighteous members.... and guess what, Mormons are the same. And that is your answer for the MM Massacre. Whoever did it, Mormon or not, were evil. End of story, it's not rocket science.

I need someone to explain to me why you guys all care so much to go on arguing and arguing. I honestly don't understand..... if you don't believe, then don't. The fact that you argue and argue and argue just makes me think that it's personal for you... and I seriously don't get that.... let it go. Suggest removal of this comment
October 9, 2007
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