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Faith, conflict and excommunication

Lawn Griffiths, Tribune Columnist

October 5, 2007 - 10:46PM , updated: November 7, 2007 - 9:29PM

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Mormons have called themselves “a peculiar people,” a group set apart and forged by the adversity of the church’s history and grounded by its distinct teachings.

Read Lawn Griffiths' Blog 'Beyond Belief'

Known for wholesome family life, close-knit support of each other, a model welfare system and detailed order in all they do, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also have a natural desire to be accepted and to belong. The church works hard for legitimacy as a bona fide Christian faith. But detractors pore through the church’s considerable writings and cannot reconcile their findings with “accepted” or orthodox Christian tenets and practices.

Church leaders say they don’t need others to give them a Christian seal of approval.

The made-in-America church can’t seem to fully shake its polygamist past, and it raises eyebrows about secret temple rites and afterlife attainment of “exaltation” and “godhood” through full obedience on earth.

“The Excommunication of Lyndon Lamborn” could be the title of a movie coming soon to a theater near you.

The critics of Tribune articles about the Mesa man going public with his ouster from the church for apostasy have dismissed them as a gimmick to sell newspapers — and dismissed Lamborn as one isolated, disgruntled member out of 13 million Mormons. From the moment I first read Lamborn’s e-mails and then sat down and interviewed him, I recognized him as a highly educated, articulate and sincere man who had put his 49 years of life into trying to live the Mormon way. His church assignments across 30 years are unimpeachable, as a missionary, Boy Scout leader, teacher and more. The engineer and father of three doesn’t come across as strident or a publicity seeker, nor someone vindictive. He says he wanted to leave the church quietly through the stroke of authorities’ pens.

Unlike so many people who come to me dissatisfied with their own church, Lamborn, a fourth-generation Mormon, arrived equipped with a large body of written work, references for his investigation, and a solid narrative of his quest to find truth. He believes that claims of the church are refuted by evidence.

Lamborn’s stake president wrote him Sept. 2 that he intended to have bishops in the wards (eight in all) announce his excommunication for apostasy on Sept. 23. Lamborn believed that rare step was planned because, during a disciplinary council on Aug. 19 with 15 church leaders, “I was pretty much in your face with the brethren. ... I wouldn’t consent to any rules.” He was informed that even with excommunication, he could attend regular meetings and services, but could not “give a talk” and “offer a public prayer.” Lamborn said it made no sense that he couldn’t pray for his friends inside a chapel. He even suggested they could get a court injunction to “prevent me from coming because you have no authority over me.”

Those announcements to priesthood and Relief Society groups in wards were never made. I spoke with stake President R. James Molina two days before the scheduled announcement and told him that Lamborn had contacted the Tribune and was furious over the plan to make his excommunication public. That Sunday, Lamborn said he asked Molina about the change of plan. Molina told him he had been undecided all along about having the announcement read and that, with the Tribune article Sept. 23, any announcement was unnecessary because word would surely get around.

Molina chose not to tell the Tribune why he canceled, or delayed, the announcement.

So many of the more than 1,400 online comments made on two articles I wrote about Lamborn revolved around whether Mormons are able to freely investigate the church’s history and teachings and how much pressure there is to be loyal or unquestioning. Some wrote of being disciplined, of being warned against sharing concerns and doubts about the church with others, and of being excommunicated themselves. But a great many defended the church. An example is “James,” who said the Book of Mormon is “the plainest and purest message of the gospel of Jesus Christ ever written.” Unlike the Old and New Testaments, “there is something sweeter about the Book of Mormon,” he said. “As I have read it over the last 40 years, my life has been filled with joy because of it.”

Other said that true faith can remove all doubt. Other said Lamborn fell victim to the influence of heretical materials.

Lamborn said he believes that the church went into “damage control” when he first shared his doubts with his bishop and stake president. He revealed he had discussed those same concerns about church teachings with his five brothers, all of whom had gone on two-year church missions and were active in their wards. “The following week, all the bishops of my brothers had received a phone call, and each of my brothers got a visit from the 'men in black’ over the next 30 days,” he said. “They were each questioned about their beliefs.”

Many Mormons say that Lamborn could not have been easily sheltered about the church’s polygamist history as he had claimed.

“Polygamy is not hidden. ... Polygamy is discussed openly in the church, and it is in all of our history books,” wrote Jean White of Maricopa. “Many members can trace their heritage to polygamist homes.” She said during the early years of the church, a time of persecution, “there were many parentless children and widows who had lost children and mates. We were a hunted people at times.”

“We are not ashamed of our history,” White said. “When the government said it was outlawed, it was discontinued.”

Most of Lamborn’s friendships are with church members, relationships he wants to keep. “They know me and trust me and are tolerant of the fact that I may not believe the way they do and vice versa,” he said. He talks about “recovery from Mormonism” but says he has no immediate plans to embrace any other religion.

“I am sure the correct path will present itself to me in time,” he said.

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db,
I am not discontented. I just don't believe that the LDS is the ONE true church. It is a great social club and very much a part of my DNA. It is my culture. My life has revolved around the church for 47 years. But because of the area that I live in, my children and I would be shunned if I were to come out as a "non-believer". My family and neighbors would be heartbroken, they would automatically label me a sinner, they would say that I I had done something bad that made the spirit withdraw. They would accuse me of being "offended".

But I would still be the same person, have the same heart and soul as I did before.

I do this for the sake of my family.

Some may think I am living a lie, I can understand how you could feel that way. I don't bear testimony of things that I don't believe. I just ask for compassion and understanding. Accept me the way that I am, for what I believe, even if it isn't directly in line with your beliefs. Suggest removal of this comment
October 7, 2007

db

just curious..do your spouses feel the same way as you do? or are your feelings kept to yourself? Suggest removal of this comment
October 7, 2007

thinkR

db -
"or all you "discontented" still active mormons, why do you still attend the mormon church? why not go to a different church? why do you stay?"

I choose to not attend any other churchs because for me nothing is better. I have spent countless hours investigating them. during my mission I spent entire p-days learning about every point of illogical doctrine or weird belief that I could use to teach a Southern Baptist, Catholic or Jehovah's Witness why their belief system was flawed and why they needed to embrace Mormonism.

the intense study and scrutiny quite accidentally spilled in to LDS history. I had small moments of doubt all along, but I held an internal shelf of questions - about a year ago I started to tackle the my questions one-by-one. I became fully engaged in LDS apologetics, although some of my questions were answered right away, other questions I would have never thought to ask were being argued between the principals in the apologetics world. my list of unanswerable questions instead of getting smaller got really huge, really fast. I went to my bishop, he basically said these types of questions (the same questions Lyndon has mentioned) do not have official answers. I was floored, and for 6 months about 10 hours a day, I tried to figure it all out. I read everything I could find pro and con . I actually read the nibley books I had collected but never really read. I started chronologically with my list and I have NOT BEEN able to find a way to believe Joseph Smith used the same seer stone in a top hat to translate the book of mormon that he used for years to find buried treasure (which he never did find)
- some people can - I just can't bring myself to do it.. But I am still mormon. because nothing is better, the conference yesterday and today re-enforced my beliefs even more. the church reinforces and perpetuates myths, some of them are ancient, others are far more recent. Suggest removal of this comment
October 7, 2007

Hellmut

GG, that's really sad. I wish you all the best.

Just be sure that your own children understand Mormonism properly so that they will enjoy more options than you do.

I hope that you will find a way that works for you and your family.

I also have to say that I am ashamed to be associated with an organization and culture that compels people to conform in matters of religion. Suggest removal of this comment
October 7, 2007

dc

I left the church after serving in a leadership calling. I was standing in front teaching and I felt like someone else's voice was coming out of my mouth. I was saying the words but I was not believing them. I knew I needed to make a change. I and my husband could no longer take our family to church under the pretense we believed EVERY part of the church was true. Our feelings are genuine; the sad thing is I feel that our feelings are discounted. There are many things I love about the church, but those things do not outweigh what my husband and I believe are untrue concerning Mormonism. Suggest removal of this comment
October 7, 2007

Seal of Approval

"Mormons don't need Christians to give them a seal of approval."

You're right, Mormons have been giving themselves their own seal of approval just like Joseph Smith did about a 170 years ago.

LDS have a consistent history of breaking U.S. law.

Run out of New York, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois and finally running to what is now called Utah. Their fellow they refer to as the Prophet Joseph Smith was a brilliant, desperately poor, charistmatic fellow.

Smith was able to get 3 Special Wittnesses to swear that they all saw the "golden plates." Each on later recanted, claimed SMith was a liar and a fraud. These guys lives were ruined, because by then, the 3 had helped the religion grow at an astronomical pace.

Mitt Romney's gggrandfather and brother, who was/is Romney's gguncle were both 2 of the Original Twelve Apostles in the Mormon Church.

The gggrandfather was murderred in Arkansas, shot in the back. He is remembered by all LDS today as a Mormon martyr.

What LDS don't want you to know, is that the reason old Parley Pratt (Romney's gggrandfather) was shot in the back, was because he was running off with another plural bride, an addition to his already large harom.

The woman was still legally married and had two small children. Ol' Parley was murdered for running off with her and having sex with her! HELLO!

The Pratt Brothers (Mitt's family) along with Brigham Young (another of the Original Twelve Apostles) traveled with several of the other orignal apostles to England/Britain. Because there was so much resistance to this new religion here in the U.S., they converted non United States citizens, who they arranged passage for, even entire ships were filled bringing these people over.

These "apostles" performed plural (polygamous) marriages in England for these new converts in some cases!

This religion is about power, and money, It will soon become scarier than ever if Republicans do not stand up and say, that a guys religion DOES matter!

A candidates religon or non religion, has alot to do with his leadership.

Romney is basically the Mormon Golden Boy. Giuys like Farnsworth, Stapley, the Browns, etc. will be running the United States!

You think it's scary the effect they have here in Arizona, think of what they will do to the United States of America.

These folks pretend they are Christians, and maybe they do believe in Christ and God.

But, ask any MORMON. They will confirm that Joseph Smith was introduced to Jesus by God himself.

If you can believe that, then join the religion. If not, learn more, not from LDS haters, but factual accounts.

Oh, and do not use their material, they made it up, like Joseph Snith made his story up.

These folks are really powerful and scary. They refer to ALL NON LDS as GENTILES. That is not an endearing term, when they use it. Suggest removal of this comment
October 7, 2007

Real Motives

Mr. Griffiths:

I appreciate your fairness in the recent article. I would have liked to have seen you interview some Mormon apologists to make the debate more interesting, however. But I am grateful nonetheless.

One of the bloggers that you refer to in your article named James, brought up something very interesting that I wish you would have addressed. That point is regarding Lyndon’s parents.

In the LDS faith, it is the parents duty to teach the doctrine to their children. Why has Lyndon chosen to hide behind the Church when his parents would have had the obligation to teach Lyndon about plural marriage as discussed in the LDS Church’s scripture, Doctrine and Covenants 132. (This was in your first report). Does Lyndon claim that in all of his years as a member, that he never read this section or never discussed it ever?

I just read a post that Lyndon seems to be trying to clarify this broad statement that he “didn’t know about polygamy” and has refined it to “I didn’t know all of the secret details about plural marriage”?

I can see how this action by Joseph Smith seems “weird” or “strange” or even like he’s trying to get away with something under cover. But there were many people who knew about plural marriage and were practicing it along with him – not just Joseph Smith. It was only kept from the general membership of the Church for a time, but then openly disclosed to the members later.

To Christians, that God would command a prophet to do “strange” things is not so uncommon in the Bible.

Take Abraham for example, God ordered Abraham to take his son Isaac and make Isaac the offering to God – in essence he commanded Abraham to kill his own son. (Of course, at the last minute, God stopped the act of murder, but you get the picture.) Why would an omniscient God do that? And then there is the command by God for Israel to kill the Amalekites in Dueteronomy 13. This is the same God who would later become the sacrifice for all mankind, and in whose name we pray to the Father – namely Jesus Christ.Just as God has his reasons to command Abraham, or command the Israelites, he also had his reasons to command Joseph Smith.

True, our cultural sensibilities may be offended by selective and secretive plural marriage but it can be argued that Joseph Smith was not unlike other prophets who were commanded in the Bible to do strange or very hard things.

It is important to point out that Lyndon Lamborn not only believes that the LDS faith is wrong, but that all religions are false, including all religious texts declaring that God exists.

In other words, No Adam and Eve, No Flood, No Abraham is a prophet, No Moses is a prophet, No Jesus Christ born of a virgin, No Jesus Christ and his atonement, No Jesus Christ and resurrection, and No resurrection for mankind.
I wish Lyndon the best in his search and hope that he’ll continue to have an open mind in the future and not write off the LDS faith just yet.

We pray that his family and friends will respect his decision to leave and continue to love and befriend him as they have done previously.
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October 7, 2007

That would be the Christian thing to do...

That will not happen.

Do you remember what happened when Ted Benson (grandson of the Pres. Benson) and his family left the church?

Well, where to begin. This would be a terrific article for the Tribune to do, so it is accurate.

If my memory serves me, I think I remember:

Bomb Threats (at his home!)

His children suddenly had no friends

He was asked by his bishop how much he wanted for his home, as it is in that special LDS area. (Gentiles not wanted...)

I don't believe Lamborn didn't know about polygamy. I think he is like most LDS and just can't tell the truth.

In any case, LDS should focus on stopping polygamy, after all it was LDS MORMONS who brought the disgusting practice to the United States of America.

They won't, becaue they not only justify it, they want to bring it back.

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October 7, 2007

More info about LDS polygamy

Great coverage of civil disobedience and LDS polygamy in article here

http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Polygamy_Prophets_and_Prevarication.pdf
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October 7, 2007

BLOG IN REVERSSE

For the record. This blog is officially in reverse.

If a MORMON does not like what he is reading, meaning anyone else's opion, he or she will simply click onto the:

:Suggest removal of this comment.

That way, the MORMONS control not only this city, the State of Aerizona, but this blog too! Suggest removal of this comment
October 7, 2007
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