Letter writer Dennis Riswold (July 13) epitomizes those in our society who criticize a situation without having even a basic knowledge of the facts involved in that situation. According to Riswold only "Democrats are proposing" illegal alien students be given a path to citizenship under certain circumstances. He either does not know or chooses to ignore the fact that Sen. Orin Hatch (R-Utah) was an original sponsor of the Dream Act; and his fellow conservative, former Utah Republican Sen. Ben Bennett, also voted in favor of the bill. He is also apparently ignorant of the fact that current Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) and Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) as well as the Senate's two independents, Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, are all co-sponsors of the Dream Act.
Riswold also wonders why these illegal alien students have not made an application for citizenship. You cannot be here illegally and apply for citizenship! One would first have to return to their home country, then apply. Otherwise, what would be the point of immigration laws? And, the chances that that application would be granted are slight.
Finally, the oath of office taken by federal officials, including the president, Cabinet heads, and members of Congress, does not contain any reference to the "rule of law." They do, however, vow to defend the Constitution.
Edward F. Murphy, Mesa
Dale Whiting posted at 7:02 am on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.
Ed,
Do not confuse these Neo-cons with the facts. It spoils their day!
Leon Ceniceros posted at 7:31 am on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.
ED,
THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED (WE WON'T EVEN GO INTO SANDERS AND JOE LIBERMAN'S SO-CALLED "INDEPENDENT" AFFILIATION...BEFORE PEOPLE HAVE HAD TIME TO DIGEST THEIR BREAKFAST)...........GETTING BACK TO THOSE SO-CALLED....."REPUBLICAN" SENATORS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR ..."LETTER TO THE EDITOR"......
THEY ARE ALL ........R.I.N.O.'s........ED.......R.I.N.O.'s
R-epublican I-n N-ame O-nly = R.I.N.O.
ORIN HATCH AND BENNET FROM UTAH ARE......MORMONS (THE SAME ONES THAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE RECALL ELECTION OF OUR ARIZONA SENATE PRESIDENT AND THE "FATHER" OF SB 1070.....RUSSELL PEARCE.
THE SAME ONES THAT ARE RUNNING A MORMON STAKE BISHOP, JERRY LEWIS....TO DEFEAT...SENATOR PEARCE....IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION...JUST A FEW MONTHS AWAY).
NOW, I WILL GIVE YOU THAT THE SO-CALLED...."DREAM ACT"...ONLY WILL BENEFIT A FEW THOUSAND ILLEGAL ALIEN STUDENTS ........NOT LIKE....
CURRENT ARIZONA CONGRESSMAN JEFF FLAKE'S....."S.T.R.I.V.E.....ACT"....WHICH WOULD NOT ONLY LET MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF.....ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM MEXICO AND POINTS SOUTH GET...........AMENSTY..............BUT WOULD ALLOW THESE SAME MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF... "NEWLY AMNESTIED".... ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM MEXICO AND POINTS SOUTH........TO BRING THEIR .....FAMILIES....TO AMERICA....TOO.
IF YOU THINK THAT AMERICA IS IN A RECESSION NOW..............JUST IMAGINE HAVING .....20 MILLION...."BRAND-SPANKING NEWLY AMNESTIED" ILLEGAL ALIENS .......AND .....THEIR 20 MORE MILLION FAMILY MEMBERS FROM MEXICO AND POINTS SOUTH;
ON WELFARE
ON SOCIAL SECURITY
ON DES
ON WIC
ON ACCCHS
ON SECTION-8 HOUSING
ON H.U.D. PROGRAMS
ON FOOD STAMPS
AND IN OUR .................SCHOOLS.
THANK YOU.....R.I.N.O. SENATORS....THANK YOU..."S.T.R.I.V.E...ACT" AUTHOR, CONGRESSMAN JEFF FLAKE............BUT ..."NO THANKS"
100% REAL AMERICANS ARE DOING A PRETTY GOD JOB OF BRING OUR COUNTRY TO BANKRUPTCY ON OUR OWN....WE DON'T NEED 40 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS AND THEIR FAMILIES TO..........."FINISH THE JOB"
AmericanPatriot posted at 12:57 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.
Dale Whiting and other wealthy liberals like Nancy Piglousy would like to give a lot of money to the worlds poor and downtrodden. They would like to give them your money, not their money. Don't buy into their neo-con name calling that is designed more to obfuscate than educate. They care more for illegals than they do for American children.
samkat posted at 2:25 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.
Dale: It is so juvenile to keep referring to anyone you do not like as neo-cons. Grow up.
sockratties posted at 8:56 pm on Sun, Jul 31, 2011.
Well said Mr. Murphy. There are pros and cons regarding the Dream Act and those on both sides of the aisle may be pro or con. It has less chance of passing in any form as congress becomes more polarized. It’s a shame to see these kids become another political football. Everybody loses if we lose them. Educated kids who qualify for college and have the necessary resources to succeed are valuable assets and shouldn’t be used as cannon fodder for political infighting. Riswold’s letter was actually a complaint and contained no worthwhile opinion or information.
You did start a food fight in the kiddies’ sand box, with the usually name calling and tantrums. Samkat is right but should have included the other commenters as well. Dale got out the over-used “neo-con” saw thinking it means as much to other readers as it does to him; leon went off on a tirade about how Republicans who don’t agree with him aren’t really Republicans and slammed Jerry Lewis for being a Mormon and running against Russell Pearce (who is a Mormon). To leon it must be a very strange world looking out from where ever it is that he goes to roost. Maybe hanging upside down in a cave. Sadly AmPat had to try name distortion to take a swipe at Nancy Pelosi while trying to denigrate liberals. He usually does better than that.
Accuracy posted at 8:32 am on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.
“Dream Act not just a Democratic ideal”
In your Dreams!!
The "Dream Act" bill (which would give young illegal immigrants permanent residency after completing at least two years of college or military service) by DREAM Act sponsors Rep. Howard Berman, Democrat-Calif., and Rep. Rubén Hinojosa, Democrat-Texas.
Even Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Democrat-Calif. said, "This is about a commitment to our future….. It's about recognition of what these young people can mean for our country." When the DREAM Act bill garnered an 18-vote win in the House of Representatives last year but failed on a 55-41 split in the U.S. Senate.
After a decade of failure in Congress, Democrats have not changed the minds of Conservative Republicans . . even changed the minds of those that are for deportation of DREAM Act-eligible immigrants.
samkat posted at 5:32 pm on Mon, Aug 1, 2011.
Accuracy: Anyone who takes the time to read the dream act will quickly realize that it is nothing more than amnesty big time. It is so full of loopholes, you could drive a semi through it. Yes, we have SOME outstanding illegal children but allowing all of them to remain is stupid. Now, the most glaring issue is once the current crop should receive amnesty, how long will it be before the liberals are pushing for a repeat event? Until the feds implement stronger domestic enforcement and tighten down on such things employers hiring illegals, social services allowing illegals to collect benefits for their U.S. spawn without reporting them to ICE; schools enrolling children without verifying their immigration status to ICE; and most important, deporting all illegals rather than turning them back onto the streets, we are never going to eliminate the problem. While my comments will sound harsh, we have an issue that is drowning us in debt. If they come here legally, then we should accept them. If they choose the other route, give them a quick trip back to their homeland with no chance of returning for 10 years as the law provides.