Here our country is on the verge of being catapulted over a disastrous fiscal cliff and Arizona’s hero, John McCain, and his human appendage, Leslie Graham, have taken it upon themselves to open an attack on U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice. It is such a shameless and dishonest attack on the woman who has been acclaimed for doing a superb job representing our country on the huge world stage.
The information she passed on to the public was the same information provided by the CIA to members of Congress and other government officials (received at the same time by all parties, including the two senators)! This is an outrageous attack by these two officials, who only seem to want to put more boots on the ground, taking any incident and blowing it way out of proportion to the point that could cause us to become involved militarily anywhere in the world.
Remember, John McCain is a third-generation military man. To him, it seems America must always become involved in a war. Forget negotiations. Here, again, it’s a case of an old man sending the young off to die and it starts by attacking and pushing until enough believe him and then his dream is fulfilled.
Shame on you, John McCain! Use some of this anger you display with your cohorts in Congress to stand up and work together with those across the aisle and help make us a United States again, not the disunited states we have become! Do this, Senator, and you’ll always be remembered as a true hero and not an angry old man.
Jim Perry
Mesa
truth posted at 3:39 pm on Sun, Nov 25, 2012.
Jim, you can explain the facts to Republicans a 1000 times and they will never understand the truth. They will ignore or have problems remembering, or have selective memory, that the Republicans cut 1/2 billion dollars from the Embassy defense fund in 2011 and 2012.
Accuracy posted at 6:23 pm on Sun, Nov 25, 2012.
Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said that the September 11 violence on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was the spontaneous result of a mob angered by an anti-Muslim video posted on YouTube.
Concerning Rice’s statements following the September 11 attack on the U.S. embassy in Benghazi, Libya; Arizona U.S. Senator John McCain said, “I think she deserves the ability and the opportunity to explain herself and her position.”
“I’d give everyone the benefit of explaining their position and the actions that they took,” said McCain.
As far as President Barack Obama confirming Susan Rice as the next secretary of state . . . Obama hasn't come up with any potential nominee list.
Dale Whiting posted at 7:31 pm on Sun, Nov 25, 2012.
Want to know the real John McCain? Read his book, Faith of My Fathers [Dad and Grandpa]. Their faith? Both were Navy Admirals. John? He graduated at the very bottom of his Anapolis class and was almost kicked out for misbehavior and poor acedemics!
He and I share one fact. Both of us have taken off in aircraft six times more than we have landed in them. I was in Airborne training. By design, I landed under a parachute. McCain also landed in parachutes, but his planes did not land. They crashed! Had he not been the son and grandson of Navy Admirals, he'd have been kicked out.
Unbeknowst to John, while in the Hanoi Hilton [prison] his father was promoted to CINCPAC, the supreme commander over the Pacific, including Vietnam. The North Vietnamese took advantage of this, pouring on to John the heat until he signed a video taped war crimes confession. John waited to return after most others including many who were imprisioned after him returned, leading many to believe that John was being gracious. No, he did not wish to come back to face the CINCPAC. When finally his father was willing to listen to John, he told his Dad that he'd done his best, to which his Father responded " I'm sure you did." John failed again!
Now John is trying to out do his Father, to somehow make his Dad proud of him. No way I was going to vote for John McCain in 2008. No way I listen to what McCain has to say today. He's a big looser and goof off. He almost always gets it wrong. But he knows how to play the game to make him look like the hero that he is not!
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:44 pm on Sun, Nov 25, 2012.
Gee, Dale, since you compared yourself to McCain in the "taken off in aircraft" department, does it mean you were also a POW, and tortured like him as well, but you didn't break?
I think McCain is a flip-flop artist, but you shouldn't besmirch anyone that has endured torture, and cracked. Of course, I'm guessing you think you'd never crack. Hah!
sockratties posted at 4:13 am on Mon, Nov 26, 2012.
leon... Since it wasn't written in caps lock, I read your comment. It must be your learn-by-rote-and-get-smacked-by-the-nun education that limits your abilities. You have problems with female clothing and reading comprehension. Looks like a connection there.
What don't you understand about the words “by design?” It seemed obvious that Dale said he practiced jumping with a parachute but McCain crashed his planes. Was it the math that got you, or the verbiage. Can you still get your money back from that Catholic school? Dale's evaluation of McCain is right on the money. You and McCain share a serious case of selective hearing along with selective understanding.
You've always been a self-elected critic of Michelle's choice of wardrobe. Now you're going after Hillary, Condeleeza, and Susan? Maybe women in your life need to wear a habit or a burka. Sounds like a case of arrested development.
Dale Whiting posted at 5:41 am on Mon, Nov 26, 2012.
I am not the one who condemns John McCain for cracking. In his book his suffering in the Hanoi Hilton is detailed. I only point out that the CINCPAC appears never to have forgiven him and that troubled John long past the CINPAC's death and even to this day.
We need to understand what motivates John McCain. Is it a healthly motivation? Apparently not!
Bluepoet posted at 10:25 am on Mon, Nov 26, 2012.
Our government lies to us?????!!!!!!! I am shocked!!! (turns off sarcasm)
There are many explanations for why we aren't told some things, and for why we are told lies, in public, by the government. It could simply be a misdirection, to keep the perps off guard. I'm sure most people could grasp that...?
---Just ask Ollie North about "falling on his sword"...
McCain is grandstanding, for some political gain, probably unrelated. That's Washington politics, 101, and he's been there long enough to have taught the class!
DonMey posted at 10:36 am on Mon, Nov 26, 2012.
Dale appears to be a real piece of (censored by a news outlet of all things) and makes me long for an ignore button. McCain stayed in a torture camp because he was afraid to face his dad? Seriously? Do you even listen to yourself? Probably not; you've got so much rage built up that the blood pounding in your ears not only prevents rational thought, you can't hear yourself think, let alone what you actually spew.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:18 pm on Mon, Nov 26, 2012.
DonMey - Are you calling John McCain a liar?
Or didn't you bother to understand that Dale was referencing McCain's own book?
DonMey posted at 1:45 pm on Mon, Nov 26, 2012.
Engaged - Show me the passage where McCain says he stayed a POW because he was afraid of his dad. Not a passage saying he was ashamed of what happened there, but an actual passage saying he was too afraid of his dad to leave the camp.
Dale Whiting posted at 3:49 pm on Mon, Nov 26, 2012.
Engaged Voter and DonMey,
In McCain's book he does not address his reasons for staying behind in Hanoi, and not taking his turn to board the plane out. Nor does he explain in any detail why his father refused to discuss his signing of that confession during the time his Dad was CINCPAC. He does say that eventually he was able to solicite from his Dad a response to his assertion that John had done his best to resist signing that confession. It was his Dad whose simple response was "I'm sure you did!" There was no further discussion. His dad was imbarrassed to have his own son sign a confession to war crimes while Dad was CINCPAC.
It appears pretty clear to me that John has never gotten over the greef he caused his father. But we were lead by the press and public relations people to praise McCain for staying on when none of them considered the reaction the CINCPAC would have had in facing his son.
Now, go read McCain's book. Read it carefully to size up how much of a goof off McCain was, how embarrasing he must have been to his Dad and Grandad. No one crashed 5 planes and stayed in Navy aviation. It was only his sixth that was shot down from under him. As the pilot McCain crashed the first five and his Daddy had to step in to keep him flying.
JNelson posted at 9:50 am on Tue, Nov 27, 2012.
I'm no big fan of John McCain because some of his political stances bother me; see McCain-Feingold, for example. However, I would suggest that anyone who demeans him for ANYTHING he did while a prisoner in Viet Nam try to take even a tenth of the punishment he received and still claim purity of purpose and action. Whether or not he stayed behind when offered repatriation because of fear of his father, my sense is that very few of us would have stayed behind even if we thought our fathers would try to murder us when we got home. McCain can be criticized fairly on things other than his stint in Viet Nam....no need or justification to bash him there.
Accuracy posted at 11:24 am on Tue, Nov 27, 2012.
Jim Perry stated in his Letter: …..“Arizona’s hero, John McCain, and his human appendage, Leslie Graham, have taken it upon themselves to open an attack on U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice.”
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Republican senators were/are concerned about the misleading explanation U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice gave after the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, when she said in TV interviews that the spontaneous mob protest – violence was due to an anti-Islamic video that was circulated on YouTube.
And Rice’s meeting behind closed doors at the U.S. Capitol with U.S. Senators John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire on Tuesday failed to win over the Republicans. The three senators said they are “more troubled” after the Benghazi meeting with Rice and Acting CIA Director Mike Morrell than they were before the meeting.
"We are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got, and some that we didn't get, concerning evidence that was overwhelming leading up to the attack on our consulate," McCain told reporters after the meeting.
"It is clear that the information that she gave the American people was incorrect when she said that it was a spontaneous demonstration triggered by a hateful video," he said.
"It was not, and there was compelling evidence at the time that that was certainly not the case, including statements by Libyans as well as other Americans who are fully aware that people don't bring mortars and rocket-propelled grenades to spontaneous demonstrations," McCain said.
bubba posted at 12:53 pm on Tue, Nov 27, 2012.
JNelson....I agree with your comment. While I don't agree with his politics, McCain's service in Viet Nam to our country can't be down played. His torture in the Hanoi Hilton gave him the insight to the fact that torture is not a tool to aquire accurate info. I applaud his resolve to go against the grain of the former administration's use of torture.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 4:21 pm on Tue, Nov 27, 2012.
Could there be anyone more despicable than an Veteran who denigrates a P.O.W.'s experience? What kind of human "piece of something" would do such a thing.
SHAME ON YOU !!!
Dale Whiting posted at 7:35 pm on Tue, Nov 27, 2012.
Leon,
Just who do you characterize as having denigrated McCain's P.O.W. experience? Have you read his book? I doubt it. The book does an excelent job of detailing what John went through and demonstrates the leadership he undertook amongst his fellow P.O.W.s. John was great at that. And no one [except perhaps the CINCPAC] faults him for signing that confession. But clearly it did dissapoint his Dad and undoubtedly did contribute immencely to John's decision to delay returning home. BUT_
John was a goof up. And one has to wonder whether who he is today is in large measure influenced by his desire to make amends for being that goof up. Read the book, Leon. Educate yourself! You will be shocked to discover just who the Real McCain is.
And now John wants to punish UN Embassidor Rice? He's an idiot. A nut job. Just who is he trying to impress, you Leon?
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:40 pm on Tue, Nov 27, 2012.
Dale: From your first entry, last sentence: "He almost always gets it wrong. But he knows how to play the game to make him look like the hero that he is not!"
Sounds like you are have denigrated his POW experience to me, since you did mention it earlier. I remember when you made the statement that there was only "white" people in the Tea Party, and I provided links to prove otherwise. Then, as now, you refuse to admit you are wrong. But don't worry, everyone here is use to that.
remo303 posted at 3:23 am on Wed, Nov 28, 2012.
Speaking of the topic (Rice):
Her attachment and associations to questionable groups is well documented. I wouldn't trust the woman with my garage door code.
Ivan is in the kitchen.
Dale Whiting posted at 9:21 am on Wed, Nov 28, 2012.
Rouge,
To you any criticism of McCain will sound like denegration of a P.O.W. But for his signing that confession, McCain's P.O.W. experience was exemplary. Read the Book! It speaks to this clearly. But it avoids the point I raise. John's troubled past which involved his Father, the CINCPAC, professionally and which culminated in the signing of that confession, probably does account for much of McCain's behavior today. John's coming home last is best understood in the light of this problem, a problem not addressed in the book.
That is the one point I make. No others are raised, much less made.
Accuracy posted at 1:00 pm on Wed, Nov 28, 2012.
John McCain's family memoir entitled “Faith of My Fathers” was/is a book co-authored with speechwriter Mark Salter in 1999. The book traces McCain's family background, childhood and his faith. It covers his time at Annapolis and his service before and during the Vietnam War. As a naval aviator, he was shot down over Hanoi in 1967, seriously wounded, and imprisoned for more than five years and release from captivity in 1973.
Excerpts directly from John McCain's family memoir book seemed to emphasize that he believes that his faith is a personal issue.
My conclusion – of the book – is exactly the opposite of what Dale Whiting has posted and suggests about John McCain.
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Then there’s “The Myth of a Maverick” book – by a leading libertarian thinker, journalist and pundit Matt Welch.
“The Myth of a Maverick” book is about the indicting charge of the mainstream media that McCain is a "maverick." The point of this book is that, in fact, he is not. McCain's "maverick" persona is a carefully-cultivated image, which the media willfully criticized and accused him of.
Now “The Myth of a Maverick” is a book that Dale Whiting should read.
VofReason posted at 1:56 pm on Wed, Nov 28, 2012.
Let me see if I understand Jim. His point is that even though we know that our people got killed in Libya and President Obama and his minions cannot seem to tell us why, we should all go away and the Republicans should cow and let the rich be taxed at a higher rate. Yes, perfect logic. I wonder if you asked the ambassador's family or any of the people whio died's families if they want someone to explain why their loved ones were not protected and they cannot seem to get the story straight? Wonder what they would say? And just what in your mind rises to the level of more boots on the ground?
Accuracy posted at 4:48 pm on Wed, Nov 28, 2012.
Jim Perry’s point is; “Shame on you, John McCain!”
In other words, “Shame on you” for the idea of even questioning Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, about her comments on the deadly Sept. 11 attacks in Libya, and raising questions about Rice dropping any references to possible al-Qaeda connections to the attacks.
After the Benghazi attack, Rice’s initially commented that it was a spontaneous event arising from protests of an anti-Islam film rather than a planned terrorist strike. While Intelligence officials have acknowledged that there was no spontaneous protest.
VofReason posted at 12:57 pm on Fri, Nov 30, 2012.
This is the upside down world that liberals live in. Liberalism is a mental disorder. If the issue occurs under a President with an R, they will invent stories naming the President himself for say blowing up buildings. However, when it happens under a D, no amount of evidence will lead them to believe they are being lied to.
dellett posted at 1:07 pm on Fri, Nov 30, 2012.
Shame on those who responsibility it is to protect us to pry from the POTUS and his administration the simple facts of why our dear brethren, who put their lives on the line of our freedoms and the Libyan's freedom, died when we were substantially forewarned that this would happen? Really?
But no shame on Rice who either intentionally gave us false information using allegedly changed talking points as an excuse - OR who was completely ill-informed on a major issue and thus in no position to be informing the nation of the facts and now looks like a complete dolt.
In either case, she is not worthy of the position she holds. Shame on the Prevaricator Of The United States and the State Department.
JNelson posted at 8:39 am on Sat, Dec 1, 2012.
Dellett......The fact that the Obama administration refuses to tell the whole true story of what happened in Benghazi, and why, just doesn't make sense. What does (did) Obama have to lose? It just doesn't seem sensible to believe that the sole cause of this obfuscation was fear of losing the election, although probably nearly everything Obama had done up to that point was with the election foremost in his mind.
We do know a few things about the Benghazi deal. The compound wasn't a consulate, nor a State Department mission. It was a CIA private rental where they were doing "something" that hasn't been revealed. We also know that Amb. Stevens met with a Turkish consul earlier in the day of the attack at that compound and it doesn't seem sensible at all that they wouldn't meet in Tripoli where it was safe instead of in Benghazi, already a nest of trouble. Also, nobody has said or found out exactly what the meeting was about. We also know that the CIA operatives at that compound captured a "terrorist" at some unspecified time but turned him over to the LIbyans almost immediately after the attack. Why?
I'm never confident that our government will tell the public the truth about ANYTHING but maybe there is a more logical story about Benghazi, such as this one:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51400
Dale Whiting posted at 8:09 am on Sun, Dec 2, 2012.
Ok,
by raise of hands, precisely how many of you commenters have ever read McCain's book? Or are your opinions based soley on having read book reviews? Clearly Truth's opinion is from a book review! He misses the point on McCain's reluctance to return to face the CINCPAC at home. And there is pleanty in the book taking place after McCain's return, including that awkward moment when the Admiral finally did address the issue of what McCain did, i.e. "the best I could." I'm sure you did, son!!
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:11 pm on Mon, Dec 3, 2012.
Dale, spout all you want, I stand by my statement....
Accuracy posted at 3:13 pm on Tue, Dec 4, 2012.
That’s right, Masterrogue666….
Dale Whiting is only whining about the “McCAIN” book written by the ghostwriter, journalist Matt Welch.
Dale Whiting posted at 6:15 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.
Look, boys,
Most all politicians who have books written by them use ghost writers AND they tell those writers what to say. Are you hinting that McCain's different, that his ghost writer did not know what to say? That McCain did not read and approve of both what was written and how it was written? If so, you two are idiots!