After watching the news on the Wallow fire and knowing that environmental groups sued to stop forest thinning, it made me realize liberalism is spreading like the Wallow fire with the same results. Here are just a few of the ways liberal ideology has changed our country.
They stopped domestic oil and gas drilling, making us dependant, and apologizing to the same countries that want us destroyed. They want free speech to protect anything pornographic, vulgar or related to their views but any reference to God or any opposing views must be banned. The life of a murder is worth fighting for and so is the termination of the innocent unborn. If you work hard and are successful you must be punished and pay entitlements to those that will not work. They want us to pay for a bigger more intrusive government with business-destroying rules and regulations and spending like there is no tomorrow (which may be true if this insanity does not stop) to fund their bucket list. Even after the Second Amendment was upheld by the Supreme Court, they are still trying back-door tactics through agencies like the IRS and EPA to bypass the court to impose gun controls. Dirty tactics including lawsuits, protests, name-calling and intimidation are their norm, then you are labeled a racist or bigot if you dare to disagree.
They went as far as laughing at the reading of the Constitution on the floor in the Capitol building, essentially laughing at everything this nation was founded on. Never before have we had such a taste of liberal ideology as we have in last few years and it’s a bitter taste. If we do nothing to stop its spread, it will be like looking over the destroyed forest that is gone forever, wishing we would have done something before it got out of control!
Gary Larson, Mesa
Accuracy posted at 11:58 am on Fri, Jun 24, 2011.
WOW!! What A Conservative Letter!!!
Gary Larson notes refusal to accept what he calls “liberal ideology” in last few years. His concerns of the spreading of “Liberalism” . . . and his anger at their labeling (name-calling) of concerned citizens protesting wasteful government spending.
Republicans and Conservative Tea Party leaders ran a successful campaign by promising vaguely to cut taxes and to cut federal spending . . . But now, many in Congress concede that the debt ceiling, which stands resolute at $14.3 trillion, must be raised to cover the out-of-control spending by President Barack Obama.
Cerulean posted at 12:18 pm on Fri, Jun 24, 2011.
“environmental groups sued to stop forest thinning”
NOT TRUE: The group sued to stop logging of trees with more than a 16 inch diameter. A limit that was established by the Forest Service. We have a choice; clear cut the entire forest or enforce environmentally sound policy.
"They stopped domestic oil and gas drilling, making us dependant, and apologizing to the same countries that want us destroyed."
FLAT OUT LIE: Continued oil drilling MAKES US DEPENDENT ON OIL. And as to the price of oil? The Energy Information Administration testified before congress that drilling for more oil would have no effect on short-term oil prices and very little effect on long term oil prices. At most prices might lower by 3 cents a gallon.
OH and which country are we apologizing to that “want us destroyed”???
“If you work hard and are successful you must be punished and pay entitlements to those that will not work.”
POOR GARY: It would be better if the rich had used the Bush tax cuts to give the jobless a job, but they have no desire to do so. It is time to take the tax back.
Those that will be effected by the tax make more money in one year than most of us make in a life-time. Have no pity for the ultra-wealthy, for they are without want and are doing just fine.
Dale Whiting posted at 1:50 pm on Fri, Jun 24, 2011.
Cerulean,
When trying to talk some sense into a Neo-con, challenging them on their facts just doesn't accomplish a thing. As you point out, Gary is off his rocker implying or stating as fact things which are patently untrue. And it is a travesty of the language that "Accuracy" would adopt a handle as antithetical to what he stands for. Ordinarily "InAccuracy" would be much closer to the truth. But he does have a point here. Spending is out of control, but to finger one administration for that spending is unrealisticly oversimplified.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 2:34 pm on Fri, Jun 24, 2011.
One of the best..."Letters to the Editor" that I have read in the East Valley Tribune. I hope to be seeing more of your well-written (as opposed to my "rants"...lol). Don't pay any attention to the "Pro-Illegal Alien Amnesty" commenters. When a "patriotic American" makes a comment about one of my Letters, I take it to heart..but not the..."Open Borders" crowd.
When the .."tREE-hUGGERS AND THE.... AL GORE (the Sky is falling...the Sky is falling) ECOLOGISTS....start blathering about......"CLEAR CUTTING EVERY PINE TREE IN AMERICA"...you can forget about having any ..."INTELLIGENT" discussion about ...FOREST MANAGEMENT.
Anyone watching the Television could plainly see that....."ALL THE TREES BURNING UP IN THE WALLOW FIRE WERE EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE".
Jim Paxon, the Forestry Service Spokesperson for the Rodeo-Chediski Fire back about 7 years ago spoke about the huge "undergrowth" that occurs when trees grow too close to one another. It is not economically feasible to have a logging company cut only trees that are 16inches or smaller. Larger trees are needed for lumber...that's the bottom line.
SO WE CAN LISTEN TO THE ..AL GORE TREE-HUGGERS AND ALLOW ..."NO"...LUMBER CUTTING IN ARIZONA'S NATIONAL FORESTS AND SEE .....WALLOW & RODEO CHEDISKI FIRES.....EVERY 5 OR SO YEARS THAT WILL BURN THE TREES INTO MILLIONS OF CHARCOAL STICKS ...OR ...WE CAN HAVE PARTS OF THE FOREST....CLEAR-CUT BY LUMBER COMPANIES THAT WILL BE NATURAL ....FIREBREAKS....TO KEEP MOUNTAIN TOWNS AND CABINS FROM BEING TURNED INTO ....ASHES.
Accuracy posted at 4:39 pm on Fri, Jun 24, 2011.
Yes Dale Whiting,
“Treat the world as you would have the world treat you” – that is, next time you post insulting name-calling opinions.
samkat posted at 9:33 pm on Fri, Jun 24, 2011.
To Dale, everyone who disagrees with his philosophy is a neo con. :-)
onerebel posted at 10:56 pm on Fri, Jun 24, 2011.
Wow, I thought all you Liberals save the bed bug meeting didn't get over till ten. I always said give a Liberal a chance and they will stick their foot in their mouths. First fact is the Center for Biological Diversity did stop forest thinning, just ask the residence of Heber, That's why Heber had a billboard calling that group environmental terrorist in town, and for you Cerulean ,just put your medical marijuana down and think, we need oil for right now, if we can't get it under OUR OWN soil we must get it from under someone else's making us dependent on THEM, got it ? Now most of us can remember President Obama apologizing to the Muslim nations for Americas past actions right, now a lot of oil comes from those Muslim nations in the middle east, some of the same countries that WANT US INFIDELS DEAD , got it ? As for the Liberals using name calling, Dale you answered that one for us, thanks. Lastly picking on Gary for paying taxes to pay for Liberal entitlements was just mean, if you Liberals don't play nice I'm gonna hide your food stamps in your work pants and you'll starve to death !
Dale Whiting posted at 5:57 am on Sat, Jun 25, 2011.
Warning, Neo-cons. Do not read the following. The facts will only confuse and anger you!
Cerulean,
Notice how a Neo-conservative can call those whose ideas he disputes "tREE-hUGGERS" [when all they seek to do is preserve the last of the old growth trees still harboring a few Mexican Spotted Owls], "ECOLOGISTS" for opposing clear cutting, then complain that these ecologists also opposed thinning, and advocate for "FOREST MANAGEMENT", and tell from a TV screen that "....."ALL THE TREES BURNING UP IN THE WALLOW FIRE WERE EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE". Having worked in forests around Arizona, I know that only the re-forestation projects after clear cutting have trees even nearly the same size. Most of Arizona forests are re-growth.
Neo-cons can drop out of junior college and become experts in forest management. So do not confuse them with the facts. We are doing much less thinning now that before because the Forest Service has less money to use to attract thinners and the lumber industry died off years ago when the large old grown was gone. Thank Bush 43 and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for that.
My counsins once ran Kaibab Industries, the largest timber harvesting operation in Arizona. This is their assessment. Arizona Old Growth forests were cut down to build L.A. Trees grow so slowly in dry Arizona that the over-harvesting of the 40's, 50's and 60's ended the industry. The ecologists had nothing whatsoever to do with it, but for bring clear cutting to an end a year of two before it was destined to end anyway.
Do any of you recall what once lay just west of the highway entering Payson from the south? It was a saw mill and acres of harvested trees waiting to be cut to size and length. It was Kaibab Industry's mill. The timbers were huge. Now most of the old growth timbers once standing and that saw mill are gone. Owls had nothing to do with it.
Ok, Neo-cons, you can start reading herein below.
Go read my "woolley headed professor" piece in today's on-line letter to the editor. My piece on the approach to marriage advocated by President Obama and former Ambassador Huntsman could reach the stand any day now. NY just OK'd same sex marriage. Huntsman and Obama have better ideas.
Have a nice day.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 9:12 am on Sat, Jun 25, 2011.
"BAD" Liberal = no CROISSANT.........[beam]
Cerulean posted at 11:05 am on Sat, Jun 25, 2011.
Dale, I have noticed all of the points you mention about Neo-cons. [wink]
onerebel wrote,
“Cerulean ,just put your medical marijuana down and think, we need oil for right now,”
To that I say; “What's more, industry experts say no matter how much oil there may be offshore, only some of it will be "recoverable," that is, able to be removed at a cost that's cheap enough to guarantee oil companies enough profit on their investment.”
And, ”In fact, oil companies have yet to take advantage of the nearly 86 billion barrels of offshore oil in areas already available for leasing and development. So why are they chomping at the drill bit to open up the moratorium waters and survey them anew?
"Oil company stocks are valued in large part based on how much proved reserves they have," says Robert Kaufman, an expert on world oil markets and director of Boston University's Center for Energy and Environmental Studies. Translation: just having more promising leases in hand would be worth billions of dollars.
So are promises of U.S. oil independence real—or rhetoric? The issue is not whether the U.S. can significantly reduce its reliance on oil imports with domestic, offshore oil, say both Kaufman and Nathan, but whether there is enough that is recoverable to significantly lower the price of a barrel of oil on the global market.
Even by 2030, offshore drilling would not have a significant impact on oil prices, according to Martin, because oil prices are determined on the global market. "The amount of total production anticipated—around 200,000 barrels a day—would be less than 1 percent of the total projected international consumption."
You can read the entire Scientific American article at the link below.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-offshore-drilling-make-us-independent&page=2
k33j88 posted at 1:26 pm on Sat, Jun 25, 2011.
HMMM----Let's see: Race card---Victim card----Personal attacks. When the liberal runs out of these options, they always blame former President Bush. Thank you Dr Michael Savage for your inspirational books: Liberalism is a Mental Disorder and my favorite, Trickle-up poverty. Pull your head out of the sand, Dale, Cerulean, you may learn something.
Rich posted at 4:03 pm on Sat, Jun 25, 2011.
SPY VS SPY. Liberal/ Conservative/ Neo-Con, /Trickle up/ Trickle down, now you can spread the horse apples around. A bunch of crooks controls your government, I mean can you even imagine if you told Jefferson or any other founder that insurance of any kind was Mandatory? Even John Hancock wouldn't have agreed. Would they endorse sexual assault as a federally required part of a plane ticket? I tend to doubt it.And they keep you spinning with this and that, none of which they believe in themselves while they pick your pockets and laugh all the way to the bank. The Demo.Libs controlled Washington, did it help? No. The Repubs/Conservatives control Arizona, does it help? No. And yet here you are, arguing one is better than the other, when they have both proven, conclusively by their performance, that they both suck. Perhaps your problem is that you fell for the con, and you'll actually re-elect them. After all, since they are basically amoral control freaks, who really only believe in their right to steal from you, about all either point of view says is" vote for me, I really won't do either one, but I really want to keep my hand in your pocket and use your wallet as my personal ATM."