I need to respond to the nonsensical letter by Bill Webster on Nov. 4 about “God put animals on this earth for humans to use, whatever that purpose may be.” One can only assume it is just fine with Mr. Webster that animals are abused, tortured, maimed, or killed for sport or fun. After all, in his opinion, God gave them to mankind for “whatever purpose.” Anyone who has looked into the eyes of a suffering animal and can still claim that it is good and proper to do that to an animal since God has no objections, is callous, misguided, and needs a heart transplant.
D.E. Buczko
Mesa
Engaged Voter posted at 9:25 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.
"I've never heard of animals being gay before."
There seem to be a lot of things you've never heard of...you didn't even know what The Iliad was!
It's funny how anything you are ignorant of is "malarkey". Quantum physics must be "malarkey" as well.
Over 450 species of mammals have been observed engaging in homosexual behavior...only ONE species has been observed engaged in homophobic behavior. Which one is "unnatural" again? ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 9:20 am on Mon, Nov 12, 2012.
"About the "humane" thing, I'm not saying that EVERY human does it humanely,"
Actually, yes you did:
"And when we "torture" animals for food, we do it quickly and humanely."
"I'm guessing that your video was not done in America."
California is in America. You might want to buy a new map, it sounds like yours is defective.
"Animated moves[sic] don't count."
It's a live video showing the abuse and torture of animals. Not a cartoon.
"This Sunday is Veteran's Day. If you know one or see one, be sure to thank them for their service."
Yes, let us remember ALL of our honored veterans, and not marginalize some of them because of bigoted beliefs. We have atheists in foxholes, after all.
REMEMBER PAT TILLMAN, A REAL AMERICAN HERO!
mrconservative posted at 5:13 pm on Fri, Nov 9, 2012.
I've never heard of animals being gay before. That's just a bunch of malarkey, to use Joe Bite Me's phrase.
One more thing, Enraged. I DID try to copy and paste yours and Willie's websites. THEY DID NOT WORK.
About the "humane" thing, I'm not saying that EVERY human does it humanely, and I'm guessing that your video was not done in America. Animated moves don't count.
No, I never watched your video. I'm not saying it was faked. I'm saying MOST humans do it humanely.
Have you ever seen a wolf hunt, EV? I'm guessing you haven't. They have the most amazing way of hunting. I'm sure you already know this, but they hunt together, as a pack. They work together.
Too bad we humans can't work well together. I really wish we could.
This Sunday is Veteran's Day. If you know one or see one, be sure to thank them for their service.
God bless America! [beam]
And you don't have to wait two weeks for Thanksgiving. Give thanks now for all that you have. You never know when it might be taken from you.
sockratties posted at 4:03 pm on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.
leon is a Troll.... don't feed the trolls
Engaged Voter posted at 11:28 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.
Oh well...and here I thought Leon had learned the proper usage of the Caps Lock key, and would no longer be ranting like a madman in ALL CAPS.
That's what I get for assuming. ;)
Leon Ceniceros posted at 9:11 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.
ARIZONA'S "willie"......DON'T FEEL PREGNANT..........THEY CENSOR ME ALL THE TIME.............LOL........HEY, IT'S THEIR PAPER....THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT........[wink]
Arizona Willie posted at 8:03 am on Thu, Nov 8, 2012.
Hmmm, I'll be darned. SOMEONE removed my comment from this topic!!
I had suspected it had happened before but this time I am positive because I saw it yesterday and today it is gone.
I had made a light hearted comment that it was only ok to abuse animals when you reminded Republicans that Obama beat them twice.
It was up for a couple of days and now it's gone.
As far as I know, it isn't possible for a poster to remove someone else's posts so it must be the editors doing it.
What a shame that they feel they must impost their politics on the posts here and censor things they disagree with -- not profane or foul -- they already have filters for that.
But it appears they are censoring anything they don't like.
Engaged Voter posted at 6:23 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
chuckles, if you were trying to portray the idiocy of the Religious Right, well done!
If not...care to explain your comment?
chuckles3 posted at 4:53 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
2016 ballot measures for open marriage to animals.....who are we to judge?
If that animal abuse?
Engaged Voter posted at 4:47 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
"If animals can ________, then we can too."
Mrconservative, animals engage in homosexuality.
So you think that's okay now,?
Or did I just expose more of your ignorant hypocrisy?
downtownresident posted at 4:43 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
Shoot 'em,
gut 'em,
skin 'em
haul 'em out,
eat 'em.
What's the problem?
Engaged Voter posted at 2:45 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
"And when we "torture" animals for food, we do it quickly and humanely."
You call this quick and humane?
www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/us/california-slaughterhouse.../index.html
If so, you are a sorry excuse of a human being.
Engaged Voter posted at 2:29 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
You might have noticed that the same type of people who excuse the abuse of animals by pointing to their holy books DO THE EXACT SAME THING when excusing sexism, racism, slavery, and the molestation of children.
Sick, perverted, and disgusting.
Engaged Voter posted at 2:28 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
Mrconservative, try reading the article before making assinine comments.
This is about ABUSE, not harvesting for food.
Or do you prefer to torture your food and have it in agony before you kill and eat it?
(at this stage I wouldn't be surprised, your kind used to sacrifice goats on an altar!)
mrconservative posted at 1:02 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
If animals can eat other animals, then we can too.
mrconservative posted at 1:02 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
I've got some news for you, D.E. Buczko. ANIMALS eat other ANIMALS. And when we "torture" animals for food, we do it quickly and humanely.
I animals can eat other animals, then we can too.
Enjoy your tofu. I'll have some turkey in 15 days.
Bluepoet posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
The subject of the letter is not cruelty to animals...it is the attitude that animals are only here, on this planet, for our amusement. And, the further rationalisation that God says so, hence any treatment of them is, by extension, God condoned...
It's one thing to have a conservation plan, but quite another to make it a business plan, to profit from cruelty, in the name of God. Nor would it be especially wise, to kill whole species of animals, for a "good luck token", or a hat, for example. Somehow, I don't think Jesus would approve of that message...or Allah, or Budda, or anyone with a heart--or a mind.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:49 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
JNelson - this isn't some Vegan article, we're not talking about harvesting animals for needed sustenance.
You hit the nail on the head with "No sane and rational person would approve of deliberately torturing an animal or depriving it of needed sustenance." Unfortunately, we're not dealing with sane and rational people, we are dealing with, for the most part, religious fundamentalists. Take Leon, for example. ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 12:47 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
The article highlights abuse. Hunting, done right, is not abuse.
But too many cowardly, immoral hunters abuse their prey needlessly.
I've seen it with my own eyes.
And given Leon's lame excuse of "wild animals do it too", I bet he's one of those souless weasels - complete with his "good book".
FenderBass posted at 12:40 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
If God didn't intend for man to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat? (credit to the unnamed comic)
I would hope the letter writer didn't consider hunting to be a form of abuse.
bubba posted at 12:20 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
What the heck is going on here? I'm agreeing with Leon for the second time today? While I vehemently disapprove of animal cruelty, such as dog fighting etc., I don't view hunting as abuse. I myself am not a hunter, but have no problem with somebody that hunts and eats the meat from his harvest. The taking of the animal by a good hunter is quick and humane. Controlled hunting makes for healthier herds, and is way more humane than a whole herd dying of starvation in a bad year. But that's just my bleeding heart view.
JNelson posted at 12:18 pm on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
Of course, the big question remains: define abuse. Is it animal abuse to chop off the head of a chicken and eat it? How about shooting a buck during deer season, or a doe to help keep the deer herd from over-browsing its range and suffer starvation? Is catching a trout animal abuse? How about using sled dogs? Or guard dogs?
No sane and rational person would approve of deliberately torturing an animal or depriving it of needed sustenance. But neither would any logical person equate an animal's life and importance to that of a human being.
Just ask yourself this: if your child is starving and there is no other source of food, would you kill your pet dog to provide your child with the nourishment he needs? Or would you let both child and dog starve to death?
aaarrrggghhh posted at 10:42 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
Amen to the letter writer.
Of course, it does not take long before we have one of our local geniuses/religious authorities (Leon) who steps up to educate us. Leon, first: It is absurd beyond belief to equate animals that are following their instincts with humans with guns. Let's talk after you go out to Kenya without any of your human tools or weapons. Oh, except hold on, you won't still be alive. Humans have culture; that makes us a different sort of animal and because of that we have a greater responsibility toward God's creation. The conservation laws in various African (and other) countries largely exist BECAUSE of the over exploitation of "God-fearing" Europeans and because of the meddling of anti-birth control religions that are driving human overpopulation rather than striving for a balance between humans and the rest of the natural world that preserves creation. Go re-read the "Good Book."
Leon Ceniceros posted at 10:12 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
The Letter Writer should watch Animal Planet and Nova more often. He would see "bambi" and other animals in the wilds being torn to pieces and eaten by predators while they were still alive. Hunters through the taxes they pay on guns and ammo have put Billions of Dollars into Conservation. If it wasn't for the rich Safari hunter, there would be no Conservation or Game Laws in Africa. In Kenya where hunting was banned, poaching is rampant and species have completely disappeared. But this is too true, too factual for the "bleeding hearts" to accept....as the Good Book so wisely says...."casting pearls before swine".
Cerulean posted at 9:49 am on Wed, Nov 7, 2012.
I would bet that Mr. Webster believes it good to torture people too, after they are born.