Same-sex marriage is now legal in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a bill that was narrowly passed by state lawmakers, June 24 - making New York the third state to pass gay marriage through a legislative act and without court action or a vote by the people. New York is the sixth state to legalize gay marriage, after Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, New Hampshire and Vermont. The District of Columbia also allows same-sex marriages.
The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defined marriage for purposes of federal law as the legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, was passed by Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996. Also under the law, no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) may be required to recognize as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state.
During his presidential campaign in 2008, Barack Obama stated that he was opposed to same-sex marriage - even though he ran as an ardent supporter of the homosexual community. "I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman," Obama said. "For me, as a Christian, it is also a sacred union."
But, in 2011, President Barack Obama said that he felt the administration could no longer defend the law because it violates the constitutional rights of homosexuals. The U.S. Justice Department announced Feb. 23, 2011, that it will not continue to support the DOMA that specifically defined marriage on a federal level as the union between one man and one woman.
Although Obama stated that traditionally marriage has been decided by the states and is an issue best addressed by the states, he also has stated that he firmly believes that committed gay and lesbian couples should receive equal protection under the law. President Obama sees himself as the leader who can make "big historical changes." Well, this one is big, indeed.
After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence, and millennia of human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization. Whether the federal government or states should ultimately define marriage is a hot topic now. Arizona and Utah and 27 other states have passed their own constitutional "marriage amendments" (stating that marriage is between one man and one woman) and they should not be forced to accept any amendment that they disagree with.
New York's Catholic bishops issued a statement that they are "deeply disappointed and troubled" by the same-sex marriage bill they say undermines the family as a cornerstone of civilization.
"We strongly uphold the Catholic Church's clear teaching that we always treat our homosexual brothers and sisters with respect, dignity and love. But we just as strongly affirm that marriage is the joining of one man and one woman in a lifelong, loving union that is open to children, ordered for the good of those children and the spouses themselves. This definition cannot change, though we realize that our beliefs about the nature of marriage will continue to be ridiculed, and that some will even now attempt to enact government sanctions against churches and religious organizations that preach these timeless truths."
Massachusetts has waged a legal battle against the federal law that defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The government's only basis for supporting DOMA comes down to an apparent belief that the moral views of the majority may properly be enacted as the law of the land. That's why DOMA must go to the U.S. Supreme Court and ultimately be decided.
Jack & Nineva Salley, Mesa
Dale Whiting posted at 8:39 am on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
Jack & Nineva,
You contend that where a few politicians and a few states have acted against tradition, "DOMA must go to the U.S. Supreme Court and ultimately be decided." But if the Supreme decides that DOMA is unconstitutional, then what will you say?
Here is your solution. Where traditionally and historically marriage has been a religious ceremony taken over by governments through licensing in poly-denominational countries, and where these governments bestow upon married couples special benefits not bestowed upon others including both same-gender and opposite-gender people co-habiting, yet where we maintain strict "seperation between church and state," what justifies any such government in intervening to decide what is and what is not a valid marriage? Nothing. Can't have it both ways, guys!
Let's replace the word "married" in each and every law in all 50 states, in all territories and in all federal laws with the term "civilly united." Then let's allow each and every couple who would be civilly united to register and have the authority, governmental or religious, performing the union decide what to call it.
We have had gays serving openly in military forces since Rome ruled the western world. And that proved to be highly effective!
Leon Ceniceros posted at 9:22 am on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
Left-wing Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists and Democrats would have you believe that ...."ANY THING GOES".
Well if you allow gay "marriage" (marriage means mixing not blending)...then why not bestiality, poligamy, child brides (get rid of the Mann Act and Statutory Rape laws). Public Nudity laws, Public Urination and Defecation Laws, , Public Sex Laws. Since gays and lesbians are now allowed into all of the Military Services...why should transgenders, transsexuals, cross-dressers and hemorphidites be excluded from the Military. Why should pants be the only uniform worn in battle, the Scots wore kilts....why not allow Marines, Sailors, Airmen, Coastguardmen and Soldiers to wear skirts or skorts into battle too.
In California, some schools are going .."genderless"...there are no "boys" or "girls" ...all children are the same sex as far as the teacher is concerned.
The next thing that the "Loonie Fringe" will demand is ......UNI-SEX PUBLIC TOILETS.
IF YOU WANT A "GENDERLESS"..."GODLESS"..."DECENSY-LESS" ....ONE WORLD...NO BORDERS........SOCIETY.............THEN .....VOTE DEMOCRAT IN THE NEXT ELECTION AND .....PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
RationalHuman posted at 9:23 am on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
"But we just as strongly affirm that marriage is the joining of one man and one woman in a lifelong, loving union..."
Where does the church get this "affirmation" from? They claim marriage is a sacred institution from their holy book...but I've read the Bible...there don't seem to BE any married, monogamous couples in the entire book!
So - where do they get their "sacred institution" from?
RationalHuman posted at 9:27 am on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
Hi Dale! I was worried about ya, you scampered off after I refuted your false claims on the global warming article, thought you might have run into some bad luck.
Glad you're okay. :)
Leon Ceniceros posted at 9:44 am on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
Oh...and since the ...Left-wing Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists and Democrats are "throwing out"...all of "SOCIAL NORMS"...why not get rid of the other Bible-based rules and allow..."INCEST"...too.
Obama and the Democrats can campaign under the political slogan...'THE FAMILY THAT HAS SEX TOGETHER...STAYS TOGETHER".
IF YOU WANT THIS KIND OF AMERICA....GAY MARRIAGE, MARIJUANA, ANY THING GOES SEXUALLY AND IN THE MILITARY = VOTE DEMOCRAT IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
Accuracy posted at 12:25 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
Hey Dale Whiting!! If the entire issue goes to the U.S. Supreme Court, and the high court decides that DOMA law (which was signed by President Bill Clinton in 1996) is unconstitutional . . . then what will the Mormons say?”
You tend to speak for the Mormons (many times), and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been at the forefront among organized groups opposing same-sex marriage. Plus, the Mormons have supported states that have proactively, by legislation or referendum, determined that they will not recognize same-sex marriages. And those that that feel it would be “better for stability and families” if marriage was kept between a man and a woman.
JSBeals posted at 1:38 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
As a Christian, this is an area that causes confliction for me as to whether or not alternative lifestyles should have special legislative treatment. I do believe that DOMA should be upheld.
However, Leon, your name calling and shouting via CAPS is not conducive to the argument. Do not think for a minute that Democrats, etc. etc. have the corner on gay lifestyles or promoting legislation for gay lifestyles – see Log Cabin Republicans. Republicans are as likely to be gay as their counterparts and Republicans do not have the corner on morality issues. It is just that Republicans require the morality “hot button” issues for the raising of funds. See it’s okay if you raise a lot of money for moral issues and talk about how everyone should live morally, but don’t live them yourself. We seem to find ourselves shocked that often those who shout the loudest against gays, are living a clandestine gay lifestyle.
RationalHuman posted at 2:14 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
"why not get rid of the other Bible-based rules and allow..."INCEST"...too. "
For a guy that spews religious rants so often, poor Leon sure is ignorant of his Bible...incest is CONDONED in the Bible, would you like chapter and verse?
(start with the story of Lot)
"As a Christian, this is an area that causes confliction for me as to whether or not alternative lifestyles should have special legislative treatment"
So when blacks and women finally got the right to vote, it was "special treatment"?
It amazes me, the sheer bigotry...wanting to be treated EQUALLY isn't special treatment.
(And isn't it funny that NO ONE could answer my question on there the basis for the "sanctity of marriage" comes from...they must know by now it's not in their Bibles!)
Cerulean posted at 3:54 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
It amuses me to read this letter. The satire is not that Catholicism, governed by a homogeneous group of unmarried men, is advising on issues of marriage; it is that their ‘family’ or parishioners pay them to do so. Fortunately, the church does not have sole proprietorship over the institution of marriage.
Also, DOMA does not prevent individual states from defining marriage as they choose, just as Arizona has done.
Leon, With regard to polygamy, I am not against a man or woman marrying as many willing adults as one wants. However, they should only be allowed one marriage as a deduction on the tax return. The rest of your rambling is not true.
My personal opinion is that it is a moral injustice to deny, based on a naturally born difference, a segment of our people who wish to enter into a contractual relationship, while in no way endangering themselves or anyone any more than what is called normal, and refuse them the legal benefits received from marriage. It is cruel and selfish.
concernedcitizen posted at 5:40 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
RationalHuman is not thinking very rationally, lol! Lot's "incest" was not of his doing, his daughters had made him drunk and he was not aware of what happened.
Anyone can take a verse or two from the Bible and spin it to meet their needs, that is the danger. That is why people should pray and ponder over what is written to know what the true meaning is, then there is no discrepancy.
As for me, the fact that God joins together man and woman from the very beginning shows us where God's priorities are. How about ours?
RationalHuman posted at 8:00 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
"Lot's "incest" was not of his doing, his daughters had made him drunk and he was not aware of what happened."
Ugh, pathetic. You think that excuse would fly if you got caught impregnating your own teenage daughter?! SICK.
"Anyone can take a verse or two from the Bible and spin it to meet their needs"
Yep - it's done hundreds of thousands of times every Sunday, yet I never hear you criticize THEM...hmmm. ;)
"That is why people should pray and ponder over what is written to know what the true meaning is"
What?! LOL!!! And you had the nerve to question MY rationality!
"then there is no discrepancy."
True...if you make up a fantasy in your head, you can imagine there are no discrepancies in a book of Bronze Age mythology written by men who thought the planet was flat. But forcing yourself to believe lies and silly false claims...I must admit I don't understand how you do it.
"As for me, the fact that God"
Speaking of being irrational, stop making claims about a magic sky fairy, when you cannot even claim that it EXISTS. There is as much evidence for your god as there is for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Deal with it, and grow up.
"joins together man and woman from the very beginning shows us where God's priorities are"
Really? And what does Lillith - Adam's first wife created by God - say?
Or didn't you know about that? ;)
RationalHuman posted at 8:08 pm on Tue, Jul 19, 2011.
Heck, even church scholars have come to a consensus that, in the context of the story, Adam and Eve most likely mated with their offspring (and they with each other, etc.) to produce the number of people living when the Flood occurred. Twist it however you want, that's incest.
concernedcitizen posted at 12:07 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
RationalHuman, tell me how salt tastes. "It's not sweet..." well, that only tells me what it is not, not how it tastes. "Salty" can't be used either. You cannot tell me the taste of salt anymore than I can "prove" to you that God lives and is real, but I tell you that He is real and I have felt His presence. Just because I can't explain it (like tasting salt), I've experienced it.
Now I do admit, the comment about Lot would be unthinkable today. We don't know how true the original writer was to the facts. But when we pray about something we read, God does give us unmistakable answers in our hearts. It is called revelation, and it can and does happen to people. It sounds like either you have not felt that, or you have felt that and have rejected it. If more people would turn off the tv's, ipods, and other distractions, and took more time reading "the good book" to really ponder what God is telling us, people would find the answers they seek in life. You say I do not have evidence that God exists. I have all things around me as evidence that He exists. Just the simple fact of how this earth can support life, the miracle of that, shows that it was no accident. Someone had to plan it out, which means there IS a purpose for you and I. I hope you will find your purpose soon.
Even though I don't always agree with what Leon says or how he says it, he does have a lot of arguments right on when it comes to the traditional definition of marriage, and the other things in our society that are slowly pulling us apart as "one nation under God."
Now back to commenting on the article: don't change the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman. If you want to create "civil unions" for gay/lesbian couples, that is fine, but do not call what they do "marriage," for it is trampling a most sacred thing throughout all of mankind's history. Ultimately whatever is "law" will be obeyed, but don't force "tolerance" on everyone by changing the definition of marriage that has been in place basically forever.
RationalHuman posted at 6:25 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
Very telling when a theist has to flee to the "Salt Fallacy" - it speaks volumes.
"I have felt His presence."
Sure you have...was it salty? LOL
"We don't know how true the original writer was to the facts."
Well, we DO know the original writers lied quite a bit...do I even need to start listing the lies and false claims in the Bible? They would fill several volumes.
"God does give us...God is telling us...God exists"
Replace "God" in those sentences with Flying Spaghetti Monster...and see how silly you sound. Grow up.
"evidence that He exists"
Another lie - evidence is observable, testable, and repeatable...you have none.
Your god is a fairy tale, and the fact that you have to lie about it shows your desperation...somewhere, deep down, you know it's pure baloney.
"Just the simple fact of how this earth can support life"
Ignorance of science does not prove a god exists...it proves ignorance of science/
"Someone had to plan it out"
How myopic and pathetic...because YOU can't wrap your little mind around the scientific facts of the universe, "some god did it" - be dishonest with yourself if it makes you happy, but leave it out of Rational debate, mmkay?
"I hope you will find your purpose soon."
Purpose is self determined; it doesn't come from a magic sky fairy.
Grow up.
How fearful you must be of those three little words - "we don't know" - so afraid that any time those words might come up, you replace them with "god did it".
RationalHuman posted at 6:29 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
Now, if the religulous stuff is out of the way...
Can ANYONE tell me where the "sanctity of marriage" comes from, because it sure isn't in the Bible!
JSBeals posted at 9:33 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
Rational -- As far as the “sanctity of marriage” being in the Bible verbatim, I don’t know. However, the concept of marriage is clearly laid out by Paul in his letters to the churches, and Jesus in the Gospels. Also, incest is not condoned in the Bible any more than murder is condoned in an Agatha Christie book. Yes, you can find a verse in the Bible in or out of context to back up practically any argument on anything – unfortunately both Christians and non-Christians do this at whim. The Bible is to be taken in its entirety with a single thread connecting all of history to eternity with the concept of forgiveness by the One who forgives.
You seemed to be obsessed by religion or people of faith as shown by your pouncing on any religious thought or concept. You take comments line by line and dissect them with cynicism which seems to give you an “irrational” self-serving pleasure. And that’s all fine. Religion should be able to hold up to dissection and questioning. However, sometimes answers are not always simple, or what we want to hear. Jesus’ own disciples didn’t believe Him at times and they were witnesses to His miracles. There is likely no proof to give you that will satisfy you to the existence of God – the proof comes after you believe.
RationalHuman posted at 9:49 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
"Religion should be able to hold up to dissection and questioning."
So you and others claim, yet I get accused of "attacking" and "pouncing" whenever I question it. And no religion has been able to hold up.
"the proof comes after you believe."
Then it's not proof of anything, it's brainwashing. Thanks for clarifying.
RationalHuman posted at 10:10 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
"the concept of marriage is clearly laid out by Paul"
Would this be the same Paul that stated women are not to wear jewelry to church, and if they have a question they are to remain silent and ask their husband when they get home?
Ah, yep! Same Paul. Not to mention many of the nasty, evil things he did...so bad he changed his name! LOL
Well, it looks like this mysterious "sanctity of marriage" is just another lie invented by the religious community. I wish I could say I was surprised...
JSBeals posted at 10:52 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
Rational - it's not so much your attacking or pouncing on religion as it is attacking the person who believes. I personally do not like it when others attack the messenger, whether it is politics, religion or whatever. Argue the issue not the person. Quite frankly I am not alway as gracious as I should be either - especially on politics.
Christianity has held up for 2000 years and Judaism is older than that. However, religion for the most is a man made institution - but my faith is not man made. Faith in God is found in most religions, and faith in Jesus Christ is found in many religions but not all. One has to put aside religious propaganda and dig deep into the Word to find answers.
Yes, Paul was a nasty person who was able to change through repenting and redemption and even still he was not perfect, and it was the Lord changed his name.
Accuracy posted at 11:05 am on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
While the Bible does address homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention sanctity of marriage, gay marriage/same-sex marriage. It is clear though, since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful. In 1 Corinthians 7:2-16 and Ephesians 5:23-33, the Bible clearly identifies marriage as being between a man and a woman, and biblically speaking, marriage is the lifetime union of a man and a woman, primarily for the purpose of building a family and providing a stable environment for that family.
To most Americans there is the deep commitment to traditional marriage and the sanctity of life. But in Washington D.C. traditional marriage is being threatened.
President Barack Obama is supporting new legislation to overturn the federal law, signed by former Democrat President Bill Clinton, that defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
The U. S. Senate held a hearing to discuss the Respect for Marriage Act introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to overturn and end the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Gay rights groups praised Sen. Feinstein and President Obama for their support of the new legislation.
Cerulean posted at 12:25 pm on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
Rational,
I wrote up a response to your question and I tried to submit it but the Tribune told me I had to remove the profanity.
I searched and searched for “profanity” and found none. I changed a few words that I see are included in other responses and tried once again to respond to your question about “the sanctity of marriage”. Again, I could not post because of profanity.
I would have liked to have had the opportunity to provide a response, however it seems apparent that I am being edited for reasons other than profanity.
RationalHuman posted at 2:15 pm on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
"my faith is not man made"
Wow, really? So you didn't have to be taught(brainwashed) about religion, you were born with faith?
(a claim of that magnitude will require evidence to support it)
"One has to put aside religious propaganda and dig deep into the Word"
Riiiight...except the "Word" is religious propaganda. Ooops!
Accuracy wrote:
"To most Americans there is the deep commitment to traditional marriage and the sanctity of life."
You keep claiming that, yet no one can tell me WHERE these traditions come from...we've determined that they did NOT come from the Bible or Christian teachings...so WHERE?
"the Bible clearly identifies marriage as being between a man and a woman"
LOL!!! Tell that to David, Solomon, Moses...and every other Biblical polygamist.
RationalHuman posted at 2:16 pm on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
Cerulean - I am sorry to hear you are being unfairly censored...I know for a fact that such discrimination occurs on these forums.
Signed, the poster formerly known as FreeThinker. :)
RationalHuman posted at 2:22 pm on Wed, Jul 20, 2011.
"Christianity has held up for 2000 years and Judaism is older than that."
So? What does this prove?
The Egyptian Empire and its religion lasted for over 7,000 years...using your "logic" we should all bow down and praise the Egyptian gods.
Isis, Isis, Ra Ra Ra! :)
Accuracy posted at 10:18 am on Thu, Jul 21, 2011.
"To most Americans there is the deep commitment to traditional marriage and the sanctity of life."
This is very evident; in that most Americans have voted that marriage should be one man and one woman. 29 states have enacted constitutional amendments defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman, and another 13 states have statutory bans, including Maine. And these 42 states have not been forced to recognize same-sex marriages or other things called marriage that are other than the union of one man, one woman.
RationalHuman posted at 11:42 am on Thu, Jul 21, 2011.
" 29 states have enacted constitutional amendments defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman, and another 13 states have statutory bans, including Maine. And these 42 states have not been forced to recognize same-sex marriages or other things called marriage that are other than the union of one man, one woman."
Many of these same states also had declared that Blacks were not to be considered citizens, and that inter-racial marriages were illegal.
TIme for these ignorant bigots to wake up and accept ALL Americans, or move to a country that shares their values...like Iran.
concernedcitizen posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, Jul 21, 2011.
RationalHuman, I have to give it to you, you are persistent.
"Ignorant bigots"-most of these definitions as amendments refer simply to that, the definition of marriage. Go have your civil unions with your partners all you want please, but do not change the definition of marriage which has been defined as between one man and one woman for 1000's of years (since the beginning of recorded history).
"Hate the sin but love the sinner" is what comes into play in these discussions, and if people are not doing that, then, yes, they are bigots. I believe the vast majority of Christians do not tear down gays and lesbians as people, even though they may disagree with their ideas and beliefs. You can accept someone as a person without accepting their beliefs and practices.
I can accept a murderer or rapist as a person (it would be hard to talk to them in person realizing what they had done, but I would do my best to still show love and acceptance because I know they feel a lot of anguish inside), but I do not condone what they do because it is wrong. People know, deep down in their hearts, what is right and wrong, and those who feel they have to nit-pick over and over what others say and do usually do so to excuse their own behaviors which they know to be wrong. We all do it in various ways in our lives, and we have to learn to be true to what we know and feel in our hearts. Usually when I am upset with another person, it is because I am doing some form of the same thing and need to take personal responsibility and change it.
It would be interesting for you to "prove" how these "ignorant bigots" have the same values as the people of Iran. Give me some hard facts on that, ok? Otherwise I just think it is an irrational belief of yours. :) (Had to poke back a little)
RationalHuman, I hope you take less time to criticize everything and everyone and more time to think about what life really is about. We can "be tolerant" of so many different ways of living that our out of the societal norm, so much that the "societal norm" is not tolerated anymore because only extreme views are tolerated. Unfortunately that is what is happening here, and gay/lesbian agendas are being forced down everyone's throats. Have you seen pictures from some of those Gay Pride parades and how people dress? Tell me there isn't something wrong with the way they think. I do not want my children exposed to that. (Not everyone at those parades dresses like that of course, just for the record)
Having said that, I do have friends who have those tendencies. Do I bring up my ideas about homosexuality to them? No, I treat them as human beings and with love and respect, and try to be supportive of them where I can. We all are trying to navigate our way through this life the best way we know how with the knowledge we have. I guess the good news is, we will all know after this life which set of beliefs was right and which one was wrong (I avoided saying who was right or who was wrong because I think that is inappropriate and childish, it isn't about you and I, it is about the belief systems). Best of luck to you with your navigating. I mean that sincerely.
RationalHuman posted at 1:49 pm on Fri, Jul 22, 2011.
"definition of marriage which has been defined as between one man and one woman for 1000's of years"
So your ilk keeps claiming; still waiting for someone to support this claim with something other than hot air (repeating a lie over and over doesn't change the fact that it's a lie).
"Christians do not tear down gays and lesbians as people"
Ah...so when Christians beat, torture, and drag gays behind their trucks in chains, it's just love? Grow up.
"Tell me there isn't something wrong with the way they think"
How would I know...on the other hand, the claim that you can read minds is pretty far fetched...either back up your claim or retract it.
"we will all know after this life which set of beliefs was right and which one was wrong"
LOL...you religitards and your false claims. Put up or shut up. And take your veiled threats of damnation and shove them where the sun doesn't shine, thanks so much.
"it is about the belief systems"
It sure is...and they are ALL corrupt, vile, and full of lies. Name one that isn't. I dare you.
RationalHuman posted at 1:51 pm on Fri, Jul 22, 2011.
"It would be interesting for you to "prove" how these "ignorant bigots" have the same values as the people of Iran. Give me some hard facts on that, ok?"
"Gays Should Be Hanged" says Iranian Prime Minister
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2859606.ece
I can prove every claim I make...a shame you can't say the same.
RationalHuman posted at 1:56 pm on Fri, Jul 22, 2011.
To every "Brave Christian Soldier" who made outrageous claims in this comment therad - COME BACK AND SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS LIKE AN ADULT.
You're not ALL a bunch of spineless, cowardly homophobes....are you?
k33j88 posted at 3:38 am on Sat, Jul 23, 2011.
KISS-----Keep it simple sweetheart/stupid. Can't ever remember eagles mating with crows. Horses and cows, dogs with cats, wolves with rabbits. There is order in the universe. Those that we cannot reason with know this. What makes me nervous is the GMO (Genetically Modified Organisms) being introduced into our genetic makeup. Mabe to make us much more tolerante of "other lifestyles"?
wdgnas posted at 5:06 am on Sat, Jul 23, 2011.
to uphold the sanctity of marriage, stop allowing divorce...
RationalHuman posted at 6:57 am on Sat, Jul 23, 2011.
k33j88 - you shouldn't use sockpuppet accounts...when you do,you tend to slip up and use the same obscure phrases as your "real" account. KISS to you!
"There is order in the universe"
Sure - our definition of it. Snowflakes have intricate "designs" - but there are no snowflake fairies or any other intelligence behind them, we understand the natural forces that allow them to form in such a way.
So the GMOs make you nervous now?? Here's a clue for you...humans have been genetically modifying organisms for CENTURIES. And I hope your last comment was a joke...it's hard to tell sometimes with people like you.
Dale Whiting posted at 7:06 pm on Mon, Jul 25, 2011.
The issue on Gay marriage must begin and end with an analysis of seperation of church and state. Church is free to condemn it. Yet State must treat all couples alike. No matter where any of us stand on this issue, we either believe in seperation or we do not. Sharia Law does not honor seperation. Is that where we are headed? I hope not!