When people contribute money to a TV preacher to build an orphanage they expect the funds will be used to build an orphanage, not a theme park. When I contributed funds to the Susan G. Komen Foundation I expected my money would be used to fight breast cancer, not to help pay the overhead of Planned Parenthood. Contributing to Planned Parenthood's overhead is against my religious principles. That the Komen Foundation does not understand this is indeed regrettable. Komen should concentrate on breast cancer research and Planned Parenthood should concentrate on abortions. The two should never be commingled. And this is not "political." It is common sense.
Jack C. McVickers
Scottsdale
Dale Whiting posted at 5:41 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Jack,
Susan G. Komen does concentrate. But their concentration is on raising money. Planned Parenthood concentrates on women's health issues. And because the vast majority of women support focusing on a broad spectrum of issues unique to women's health, that focus remains broad. Yet due to legislation prohibiting the use of public funds to pay for abortion services, Planned Parenthood separates their finances so that public money does not help defray the cost of providing abortion services.
And similarly, Susan G. Koman funding goes to cancer prevention healthcare functions like breast exams. Yet because mamograms require expensive equipment, Planned Parenthood refers those needing mamograms to facilities that have invested in that equipment, paying the cost for referal.
So if you feel so strongly about not having your contributions pay for overhead, either loby Koman or contribute elsewhere. But understand, we have plenty of doctors who find that investing in equipment pays off handsomely. So there is no sound reason to complain about mamogram referrals. Thanks to our broken healthcare system, doctors have found a way to manipulate it to serve their best interests. And the Affordable Healthcare Act has started to remove such incentives as excessive costs in healthcare insurance overhead, the vast majority of which was spent to deny coverage.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:52 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
I wonder how much of the money the Komen outfit takes in actually gets paid out to cancer research and how much goes for Executive salaries and bonuses and how much is spent raising more money.
All the tv advertising and pink banners etc etc cost money.
I don't see that much advertising from Planned Parenthood.
And, abortions are only 3% of what Planned Parenthood is involved in.
Someone may not believe in it, I may not believe in it -- but we don't have the right to enforce our beliefs on someone else just as we would not accept them forcing their beliefs on us.
Millions of women need the services of Planned Parenthood -- most do NOT use Planned Parenthood for abortions.
By withholding money from Planned Parenthood people are withholding mostly much needed regular health care.
Are people going to refuse to pay their taxes because the Military medical system will do abortions?
People claim abortions are always wrong because it kills a human being and life is sacred.
Apparently God doesn't think so because he aborts tens of thousands of fetuses worldwide every day -- called miscarriages.
God doesn't make mistakes so what was that conception that God turned around and terminated it?
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 8:37 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Because of the central place held by Planned Parenthood in promoting and providing abortion, anyone investigating the abortion issue should know some basic information about this organization. Most of the information below is from Planned Parenthood’s 2006-2007 annual report, which includes figures from calendar year 2006, the most recent period for which data is available.
In 2006, Planned Parenthood performed 289,750 abortions, or approximately 23% of all abortions, making them the largest abortion provider in the United States. Even as the overall national abortion rate goes down, Planned Parenthood continues to perform more abortions every year.
While Planned Parenthood officials claim that abortions constitute only 3% percent of their services, this figure is misleading. Out of the 10.5 million individual services they provided in 2006, 289,750 were abortions—roughly 3%. But this figure fails to account for the fact that a woman visiting Planned Parenthood for an abortion will receive several services—from a pregnancy test to some manner of counseling to the abortion itself—each of which is counted separately. A closer look at Planned Parenthood’s client and income numbers shows that the abortion figure is actually three times what they claim. Of 3.1 million Planned Parenthood clients in 2006, 9% got abortions. Moreover, abortion accounts for at least a third of Planned Parenthood’s total income from clinic services.
Since abortion was made legal across the United States in 1973, hundreds of women have been killed as a direct consequence of abortion, many of them at Planned Parenthood facilities. In one recent example, a Planned Parenthood Clinic in Riverside, CA inserted laminaria into the cervix of a 21-year-old woman named Edrica Goode, failing to observe that she had a vaginal infection. The infection spread, and she died a few days later. Her family is suing Planned Parenthood for malpractice.
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 8:47 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Willie do you even believe there is a God?
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 8:48 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Or do you think man is on the same level as God?
Arizona Willie posted at 10:53 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
TeaPartyTraitor .. no I don't believe there is a God. But, I call myself an Agnostic because there is always the possibility ( small ) that I could be wrong.
There is no evidence of any godlike being in existence.
But for those people who do believe and who claim human embryos are sacred ... I point out that the God they believe in aborts tens of thousands of those sacred embryos every day.
Apparently He doesn't consider them sacred.
Masterrogue666 posted at 11:02 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Jack: Lesson learned. If your religious beliefs hold sway, investigate before you donate. It's right that people should be able to choose if they should "religious", and which religion they wish to embrace (if that is THEIR choice).
There are people that would get upset about some big business that donates to a cause they are against. However, I bet they still do business there.
Rich posted at 11:34 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Watching the Komen/PP shakedown was entertaining, extortion in everyday life. The great American public pays for abortion services and that's that. I know, tax money is carried in a different column in the ledger, a little phonied up bookkeeping and it's just fine. Abortion isn't a decision I'll ever have to make so it doesn't concern me except when I have to pay for it. And when an organization takes money, or extorts money from a charity, and then goes creative all over their books to show I'm not, that's just offensive.
Dale Whiting posted at 2:22 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Guys,
If Komen does not back down [and it appears that it will] then the majority of those who support it will take their support elsewhere. You can argue all you want that Planned Parenthood is fudging it's books, that it's real purpose is to promote abortions. But mark my words. Komen is doomed unless it relents.
truth posted at 2:49 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
More facts for the TEA PARTY, this country was founded on christian values? When Europeans settled in the Americas abortions were LEGAL, abortions only became illegal around 1850 to 1973 when abortions became legal AGAIN. In Latin America it is ILLEGAL to have a abortion, but Latin America leads in abortions. THERE ARE 5 THOUSAND DEATH EACH YEAR CAUSED TO WOMEN BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL ABORTIONS.[sad][sad][sad][sad]
Arizona Willie posted at 4:46 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
If there is a God and a Hell --- the HOTTEST places will be reserved for those who force their beliefs on others.
DemocraticDad posted at 5:09 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
There are plently of excellent cancer research and patient support facilities throughout the country where we should direct our physical and financial support. An OUTSTANDING one is right here in AZ, in Tuscon!...The Arizona Cancer Center, which is part of the U of A, does great research and is known for their excellent patient care. Check them out at azcc.arizona.edu
Rational Human posted at 6:57 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Willie, your just mad cause The Patriot showed you up to be an ignorant shill for planned (abortion on demand) parenthood. haha
Rich posted at 7:30 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Willie,
"If there is a God and a Hell --- the HOTTEST places will be reserved for those who force their beliefs on others."
And this does not give you pause in trying to do it?
onerebel posted at 8:48 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
How is not wanting to give money to an organization that uses it for something your against, forcing your beliefs on anyone ? How would you Liberals feel if you were giving money to a group and found out that it was being used to fight abortions ? OH that's right, that's Different ?
Arizona Willie posted at 10:37 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Very strange. I answered TeaPartyTraitor and told him that I do not believe in a God but that I call myself an Agnostic because there is a chance ( small ) that I could be wrong.
But that I point out to those who do believe in God and who claim fetuses are sacred that the God they believe in must not consider those fetuses sacred because He abortes tens of thousands of them every day around the world.
THAT POST DISAPPEARED!!
Arizona Willie posted at 10:41 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Rich, I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone.
These areas are for discussion.
I just state what I think.
I'm not trying to pass laws requiring people to limit their family size or any law that in any way tries to make anyone believe the same as I do.
If my logic is persuasive that is not forcing people, it is convincing. Whole different story.
Arizona Willie posted at 10:46 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
onerebel, no one is forcing you to give money to Planned Parenthood or to Komen.
Once you pay your taxes to the government you are not giving that portion the government gives to Planned Parenthood ... the government is giving it. Once you pay the tax the money is no longer yours. You have no say how it is used unless a vote is taken and then your vote is only one among many.
If I was giving money to an organization that I found out was supporting a cause I didn't believe in -- I WOULD STOP GIVING THEM MONEY.
And, I have done that. I used to go to Carl's Jr. for burgers and I found out the owner gives money to Right To Work --- so I no longer patronize his hamburger joints.
I'm sure he neither knows nor cares --- but I do.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 12:26 am on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.
6,000,000 Jews were killed by the Nazi's and their Collaborators in World War II.
6,000,000 American fetuses were killed by abortion providers since the 1970's.
The Nazi's who carried out the killing of the Jews were judged to have committed "Crimes against Humanity".
The Femi-Nazi's who supported through donations and Legislation that killed and are still killing American human fetuses are wined & dined at the White House and awarded at the Kennedy Center.
....AND WE QUESTION HOW THE MOST RELIGIOUS AND EDUCATED NATION(S) IN THE WORLD DURING THE 1930'S AND 1940'S COULD HAVE ALLOWED THE HOLOCAUST...THE "SHOAH" (DESTRUCTION IN HEBREW) TO EVOLVE............FOLKS, AMERICA HAS AND IS DOING THE SAME THING...NOW IT IS NOT "ETHNIC CLEANSING" ...BUT "FETAL CLEANSING".
samkat posted at 7:51 pm on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.
The right wing religious nuts have no problem trying to force their views on everyone else and are short on support for the results. We have over 10,500 unwanted children in CPS custody. Now, why is that since we have so many pro lifers out there? Could it be that they are long on mouthing their support for life but short on commitment? Why is it that they speak so feverently about protecting life and are staunchly in support of corporal punishment? Mind you, I have no problem with capital punishment but I am simply pointing out the double standard.
Just look at the way the so called conservatives slice the CPS and education budgets and yet expect women to have and support their unwanted offspring.
Then again, I wouldn't wish such brainwashed parents on these children. They may be better off fending for themselves.
I have a humble suggestion. Lets kill all tax deductions for church and non profit donations and see just far their commitment goes. I will continue to support planned parenthood and you folks take care of the the Komen bunch.
PS: Being religious not not necessarily make a person honest or moral. You either have standards or you do not. Most politicians are as crooked as the day is long. Many pillars of the church will steal you blind if given an opportunity.
Rational Human posted at 10:04 am on Sat, Feb 11, 2012.
Samkat, I'll vote for a law that gives you and all democRATS the right to kill off as many of your children as you like. No matter what age they are. I support abortion rights even though I see it as murder. The Supreme Court has ruled these killings as justified, so go for it. Kill as many as you can. God sorts them all out in the end, if there is a God. You and willie better hope there isn't one.
sockratties posted at 9:55 am on Sun, Feb 12, 2012.
Where are the bleeding hearts once the child is born. Abortion is a choice the mother makes. If she opts for abortion she will forever wish she hadn't. She faces the same moral dilemma anyone who values life does, only more so. Reasons for abortion include poverty, family pressure, drugs, lack of support, social rejection, peer pressure and fear, both for herself and the child she won't be able to take care of. She will make that decision with regret and sorrow.
Where are the pro-life pundits if the child is born? Why are thousands of children waiting for foster families or adoption? Why did she come to this decision? Why is she being scorned instead of cheered for her pregnancy by those who say life is sacred? Are these judgments about her pregnancy, her sexual behavior, the sanctity of life or just the “them and us” syndrome that permeats our social and political landscape?
A society that isn't all puffed up rhetoric without pretense and profiling would provide a support system that makes abortion the last choice a potential mother would ever make. What are all the strutting protesters doing to provide that support? How are they doing anything other than driving the victim of their disdain into an illegal back-alley abortion mill? That after demonizing all forms of contraception.
Rational Human posted at 8:49 pm on Sun, Feb 12, 2012.
That's ok Sockrattle. Kill them after they're born too if the Supreme Courts rules that not murder too. Kill them or adopt them all but don't bore us with accusations. Either put up or shut up. If the mutts cannot or will not control their breeding then bag them up in a gunny sack, throw some rocks in it and toss it over the bridge if you have that little regard for life.
In_God_We_Trust posted at 10:37 am on Mon, Feb 13, 2012.
Acorn and Planned (abortion) Parenthood walking hand in hand together again.
Planned Parenthood continues to find itself in the midst of controversy. Karen Reynolds, a former employee at one of the organization’s Lufkin, Texas, clinics, has blown the whistle on an alleged multi-million-dollar billing scheme.
Reynolds, who worked as a health center assistant for the clinic from 1999 until 2009, claims that she was instructed to help the organization bring in optimal revenue by falsifying records. In the end, this purportedly enabled the organization to extract monies from Medicaid and the Women’s Health Program for services that were never granted.
According to Reynolds, this was the procedure that staff followed in all 12 Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast clinics in both Texas and Louisiana. The Lufkin News reports:
The suit alleges that, in addition to falsifying patient records, billing the government for unwarranted services and services not covered by Medicaid, Planned Parenthood tacked on services patient did not receive.
An example given in the suit is Medicaid being billed for birth control counseling. The suit states almost all Women’s Health Program and Medicaid patients were handed a bag of at least two birth control devices despite the fact the items were not needed or requested by the patient.
Time to defund Murder Inc.