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AFL-CIO: Labor Day reflections on creating prosperity for all

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12 comments:

  • mnjcpa posted at 7:57 am on Wed, Sep 5, 2012.

    mnjcpa Posts: 1038

    The problem with unions is they pretend we're still in an American economy, when we're in a global economy. The GM bailout was nothing more than taxpayers paying outlandish pensions so people can retire at an unreasonable, young age. It's no small wonder they're broke. Paying someone reasonably and what they're worth doesn't mean you make them a millionaire at 50.

     
  • VofReason posted at 2:08 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    VofReason Posts: 1474

    Maybe he can help me with the math, just need to raise taxes on the rich to make a one Trillion yearly deficit go away? Decimated the agencies that protect us? You have to be joking or only speaking to people who live in a bubble. Who believes that Government agencies are decimated? I would say their are more agencies (that do who knows what) and more government employees then ever.

     
  • Daddyburger posted at 12:02 pm on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    Daddyburger Posts: 32

    Tumka et. al.:

    How's that "prosperity economics" (aka Socialism) working out for you over in Greece, y'all?

     
  • sockratties posted at 10:23 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    sockratties Posts: 970

    Blue-collar unions are an anachronism. Evolution of industry has left them behind along with blue-collar jobs. One can follow the natural cultural trend; hunter/gatherer, tilling/farming, manufacturing, automation, technical, digital, information, whatever is next, etc. The U.S. has evolved beyond labor intensive farming, manufacturing, resource mining and drilling. Even the auto mechanic needs to be technically trained. Grunt work jobs have moved to countries that are in the farming and manufacturing phase of industry. Those jobs are not coming back because the U.S. has evolved beyond that phase of industry. Politics and taxes did not export jobs, evolution did. Even China is losing some jobs to third world countries that have stabilized enough to support an unsophisticated manufacturing force requiring manual labor and little training. Only the trades (carpentry, plumbing, electricians) remain legitimately within the domain of organized labor.

    Look how many jobs are required to move containerized cargo compared to only 50 years ago when ships and trains were loaded and unloaded by hand and forklifts. Even though those remaining jobs are union jobs, unions benefit neither the worker nor employer. They only restrain motivation and restrict incentive. Requiring that a “fireman” and a “conductor” ride on a modern train requiring neither is typical of union mentality and corruption. It is a form of blackmail.

    If unions were able to “give” as well as “receive” they might have a place in the modern work force. Skilled technicians, engineers and scientists have little love for unions. Unions don’t pay for the education required nor do they provide industry specific training. Technically skilled workers pay for their own education and companies pay for training that is unique to the product or job. Unions are not able to offer apprentice or journeyman workers to industry nor do they have benefits to offer employees. They do however collect dues and offer anti-employer rhetoric while interfering with employee/management communication.

    Skilled workers tend to be results oriented and unions get in the way. Skilled workers are courted by industry which offers incentives that would be union negotiated in a blue-collar work force. In the information age unions only take. They take away the ability to excel and compete from the worker and the ability to promote and reward from the employer.

    If unions could find a way to benefit well educated, skilled professionals they might have a purpose. If they could offer replacement workers, apprentice training or a better worker, they might have a purpose. As they exist now, for the new technically skilled, professional worker, they are only a parasite with no symbiotic function.

     
  • chuckles3 posted at 8:00 am on Tue, Sep 4, 2012.

    chuckles3 Posts: 277

    'Decades of government cutbacks have decimated the agencies that protect us.'

    LOL LOL LOL. 16 trillion in debt. Dirty air, dirty water, no medicine for Granny. Same tired old themes.

    The ability of some people to lie and then talk through the lie is an amazing skill that shows a complete lack of moral fiber and an empty soul.

     
  • justjohnnyaz posted at 6:09 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    justjohnnyaz Posts: 3

    I worked in the I.U.E.C. international union of elevator constructors for 18 years until finally being so fed up by the unions moves that helped the union bosses not the rank and file members I quit and have been working for a non union company for over 6 years and I make more money better benefits and the lazy morons that work here not only don't make the same amount of money as I do, but they can actually fire them! I say Union No way! Never Again and to all my former bros in the iuec local 18 out of Pasadena Ca Follow me! you'll be so glad you did! freedom is wonderful!

     
  • justjohnnyaz posted at 6:01 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    justjohnnyaz Posts: 3

    I wonder if chumka was part of Obama's plan that saved over a million auto worker jobs even though counting all foreign and domestic automakers only total 700,000,000 workers, lies lies on top of more lies![sad]

     
  • justjohnnyaz posted at 5:56 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    justjohnnyaz Posts: 3

    Ricahard Chumka is an embarrassment to all hard working Americans and union members he made a moron of himself during his defeat in Wisconsin's recall vote and every time he opens his mouth. I love him because with morons like him around, the dems will never get into power again say good bye barrack! maybe you and chumka can do some golfing after November, I now the swearing in of Romney wont happen until January but I'm pretty sure the American people will happily let you go early!

     
  • chatmandu002 posted at 1:05 pm on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    chatmandu002 Posts: 1044

    Richard,
    Haven't we been trying to implement all these programs you are calling for under Obama? I thought the 800 billion dollar stimulus was for doing the shovel ready projects and cutting the unemployment to under 6% and getting teachers and first responders back to work. Now you demand that every business allocate their profits on a shared basis. What other communist goodies do you propose? Unions and collective bargaining along with government taxes and regulations has produced the outsourcing you hate so much. Now you want to redo the trade agreements and charge high import tariffs that will kill export jobs and cause massive inflation. You want everyone to got to college even though those that have degrees can't get a job. You want, you want and you want, but are unwilling to give. Such is the philosophy of a liberal/progressive/communist union boss such as you.

    Happy Labor Day to everyone else.

     
  • Arizona Willie posted at 11:18 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Arizona Willie Posts: 1975

    thor2013 --- considering your attitude -- I bet your union is glad you left too.

     
  • Bingo6 posted at 10:42 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    Bingo6 Posts: 243

    When the goons of the new corporate robber barons destroy the labor movement the Republican oligarchy wins and we will become their slaves........again.

     
  • thor2013 posted at 9:16 am on Mon, Sep 3, 2012.

    thor2013 Posts: 1

    Prosperity & economics building an economy for all RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mainly following Cloward & Piven socilstic idealogies where everyone shares wages, benefits and all the priveleges.
    I use to be a Union member and a steward as well as a Rep. Most union employees dont even know where there money is really going as to dues. Sure they'll you one thing to your face or in a publication but actually its all smoke and mirrors.
    Granted Unions where good at one time and did a lot for all working class's but to much corruption has plaqued a good thing and still goes on. Im ashamed of ever being a Union member and glad I forfieted my pension with my union.
    Come to find out most pensions when you die go back to the Union not your spouse or siblings which was my case. In fact the union I belong to change their policies behind everyones back and fail to notify members. Dues also go for gambling trips, vacation trips as well.
    One thing for sure after doing my own investigation my union did not like the idea of me finding out about Beck's Law and tried to gag me which did not work. Most members should read Beck's law and other surrounding employment laws before working for a union. Glad I did.

     
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