Butcher: Arizona should test students in private school tax credit, savings accounts programs
Jonathan Butcher
Jonathan Butcher is education director for the Goldwater Institute.
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Mike McClellan posted at 9:17 am on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
Yikes! I actually agree with Mr. Butcher.
The test to be administered is obvious: It should be the same Common Core exams the kids in public schools take.
Theoretically, we would have the voucher kids' scores while in public school to compare to their scores in private schools.
But all -- emphasis on "all" -- voucher kids in private schools should be tested, not just the ones who volunteer.
And if those scores don't show much, if any, growth compared to their earlier scores or to their peers in public schools, would Mr. Butcher be ready to say that vouchers are not the magic bullet for education?
After all, the guy who runs the Great Hearts Academy charter system has complained about how hard it is to educate some populations, like the kids from poor homes, having tried -- so far with little success -- to have one of their charters in a high-poverty area.
mikedurham posted at 10:12 am on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
Is Mr. Butcher saying that private account funded children are not subject to AIMS testing because of tax deductible contributions to these accounts? The quid pro quo needs some seious review for educational and funding issues, if so.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 10:33 am on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
Micky, Micky, Micky.....still smarting after more than a month since the good Citizens of Arizona voted down the Teacher's Union and Construction/Labor Unions sponsored ....PROPOSITION 204.....BY A .....2 to 1 MARGIN......all those tens of millions of Union Member dues doing the old "Kibo" (as any old Boy Scout knows....lol).
Micky, move on....get over it...water under the bridge...etc.
Tax Payers pay extra money for "Minority" students too. So if it is fair to single out the "Voucher" program recipients then it should be fair to single out Black students, Hispanic students and Native American students who also receive extra Educational Funds from the Tax Payers............let's see you try and put these Minority students through some "segregated" testing and see how far that gets........[wink]
Leon Ceniceros posted at 10:39 am on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
Mr. Durham.........ALL ARIZONA PUBLIC AND CHARTER SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE SUBJECT TO AIMS TESTING....IRREGARDLESS IF THEY ARE VOUCHER STUDENTS OR NOT.
BY THE WAY...LOOKED UP THE "CRED'S" ON THE GUEST COLUMNIST. NEVER TAUGHT A DAY IN HIS LIFE.....ALL THEORY AND NO EXPERIENCE IN THE CLASSROOM...............AT LEAST MICKY HAD THAT (9 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR ANYWAY.........[wink]
DonMey posted at 1:18 pm on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
Aren't they taking the AIMS test? (yes, it is a pathetic test that needs to be drastically redone)
Mike McClellan posted at 1:43 pm on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
Leon, Leon, Leon . . .
At least get your facts right -- vouchers aren't needed for charter schools, because charters can't charge tuition. They are public schools.
Don, if something like this ever happened, AIMS will be long gone, since it'll be replaced with the Common Core testing in 2015, with 46 states taking the same battery of tests, supposedly at a much high level of testing than is the AIMS test.
sockratties posted at 1:58 pm on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
And leon the troll has so many years teaching experience and so much expertise!
leon, hanging around school yards trying to see how the kids dress isn't the same as teaching. Still creepy and still trolling.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 6:45 pm on Fri, Dec 7, 2012.
Boy...did I stir up the Liberal "creepy-crawlies" with my comments.......[beam]
JMJ posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Dec 8, 2012.
Leon, "irregardless" [groan...] you are still a Froot Loop.
Oh, wait.
LEON, "IRREGARDLESS", YOU ARE STILL A FROOT LOOP.
I forgot I have to type it in
BOLD STUPID 200 FONT SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY HEAR IT AS WELL AS SEE IT.