Are we heading for a second revolution?
Linda Turley-Hansen
East Valley resident Linda Turley-Hansen (turleyhansen@gmail.com) is a syndicated columnist and former Phoenix veteran TV anchor.
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wdgnas posted at 5:54 am on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
by the time posse comitatus is repealed again it may be too late.
Dale Whiting posted at 10:17 am on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
Linda,
Our credit rating was downgraded by Standard and Poor's, not President Obama. And Standard and Poor's has explained that it was the political wrangling in Congress, not at the White House, which lead to there decision. I'd bet you had written this piece long before Standard and Poor's fully explained itself. A retraction is in order!
Glad to know that you and Barney Frank agree on something. Spending $1 million per year on each uniform service member in Afghanistan is sheer lunacy.
Now give us some sort of idea what we should do? I'd bring the troops home ASAP and employ them and others on infrastructure improvement projects. No sense spending all of that money for no visible returns whatsoever!
chatmandu002 posted at 11:31 am on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
Stop the deficit spending.
Stop big government.
Let the free market enterprise do its thing, make money and jobs.
Cerulean posted at 12:47 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
Linda, you attribute this sentence to Barney Frank: “He says America needs to cut costs by limiting our involvement in other countries' affairs.”
Here is a quote from George Washington in his farewell address to the people of the United States,
“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliance with any portion of the foreign world.”
Also, Did you forget that President Obama and John Boehner had agreed to a plan that would have cut deficits by 4 trillion dollars over ten years. It was the Know-Nothing Tea Party who ‘stood tall’ and rejected the plan because it included revenue increases from the wealthiest among us (maybe you?).
And, Republicans lead the House Armed Services Committee. It is Republicans who are ‘standing tall’ and rejecting any proposed cuts in the Pentagon’s budget.
Linda, you post a link to a fictional reenactment of imagined words from Thomas Paine. I believe Thomas Paine would have aligned with President Obama and said;
"Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead."
— Thomas Paine
PATRICK 1 posted at 12:52 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
wake up dale.......obama's policies and bail outs etc caused all this mess along with the democratic senate and house members......of course, liberals will stand behind this so-called president no matter what..........no retraction of any kind is in order.
the truth hurts, huh??
Dale Whiting posted at 1:01 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
Patrick 1.
I'm awake. Those policies and bail outs were first suggested by the Bush crowd. TARP was a Bush bill. There is nothing "so called" about Barack Obama. He is the President. Wake up and smell that rose!
Slabside posted at 4:26 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
Good editorial Linda. It is time to pull the troops home and place them on our borders.
Slabside posted at 4:56 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
Captain Neo-Con blabs; "Those policies and bail outs were first suggested by the Bush crowd."
Sorry Captain, I hate to break this to you but Bush hasn't been the president for 2 and a half years so your liberal bleeting of "It's all Bush's fault" is quite worn out. Go back to MoveOn.org or the Daily KOs and get some new material. This is Obama's mess now and he needs to step up and be the president or turn in his resignation.
This poll shows that the consumer confidence is at a low not witnessed since 1980. Guess who was in the WH at that time? That's right, one of Captain Neo-Con's heros... Jimmy Carter.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-12/u-s-consumer-sentiment-falls-more-than-expected-to-54-9-in-michigan-index.html
Rich posted at 7:08 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
"This is Obama's mess now and he needs to step up and be the president or turn in his resignation." Too Late.
samkat posted at 8:54 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
Slabside: Drop the Neo-con bit. It is a widely misused as the liberals with Nazi and racist.
Rich posted at 9:58 pm on Sat, Aug 13, 2011.
It's actually simple and absurdly complicated. No pat answers, just the thing that is before your eyes. Government has failed. big business has failed and needed a bail-out. So get government off your rear end, get off your rear end and solve the problem. How? Haven't got a clue. It's just when you've eliminated all other answers, what's left over has to be right.
wdgnas posted at 6:08 am on Sun, Aug 14, 2011.
paraphrasing winston churchill: you can always count on americans to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 12:49 pm on Sun, Aug 14, 2011.
Thank you Linda for making sense out of a sea of confusion. A confusion as an agenda by some and just idiocity by others. How could anyone not understand how bloated and distended our government has become and the need to make drastic cuts to it? And yet there are those who say the Obummer spending spree didn't go far enough? How could anyone not see that our military spread out across the world is a ridiculous cost and unnecessary? Possibly the first time I've ever agreed with Barney Franks. Fighting to name the blame on the tea party, republican party, or democrat party is designed to confuse and disunite the American people who are so easily confused and separated. "overspending is quicksand" and the people need to learn that fact soon. The rich are getting richer and the masses are more and more funded by the welfare state that is like a rug that will someday soon be pulled out from under them. What will they do then? Perhaps beg for more hope and change? Change you can count on and I would fear if I were you. Pray for the return of Christ? Maybe just reelect Obummer. I'm sure he will save us all from the same people he and Bush work for, the banksters.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 3:42 pm on Sun, Aug 14, 2011.
Cerulean and his fellow socialists loves to blame the Tea Party for all of Washington's problems. The Tea Party movement. The populist uprising that was born from Washington's bailouts achieved critical mass after Democrats decided to start spending like no government before. The stimulus. The ObamaCare overreach. Budget deficits that made President George W. Bush look like a piker. The madness knows no limit, but we do, and I guarantee you we are here to stay. There will be no more tax increases to pay for the ever growing welfare class. Cut government to pay for your welfare army Cerulean.
Cerulean posted at 8:09 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
The problem with the Know-Nothing Tea Party is that they are pure obstructionist. Their sole purpose is to say, no.
America will not rise to greatness if the goal is to take wealth from the middle class and consolidate aristocracy. This kind of policy will only lead to depression.
Our nation is most vulnerable to the price of oil. In 2005 a barrel of oil cost $25, today it costs $80. We need to get serious about energy independence.
Cerulean posted at 8:25 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
The military has nothing to do with energy independence – this is an internal problem that we must solve here, between us, with-in our borders.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 10:26 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
Cerulean, bringing our military home has nothing to do with energy independence? So what? Have you any idea what it costs America to police the world? Do you have any idea how many of your poor socialist friends we can put in your welfare army if we bring all these troops home? Do you have any idea how easy it would be to seal the border with all these troops at home? You want energy independence, tell the Obamanation to stop putting up barriers to drilling here in America. You see, the problem with you Obamabots is you are pure obstructionists. Your whole purpose is to say no.
"America will not rise to greatness if the goal is to take wealth from the middle class and consolidate aristocracy. This kind of policy will only lead to depression."
I agree. For many decades now all presidents have worked very hard for the banksters to destroy this once great nation. Obummer is just Bush in black face on steroids. After his election the pace of destruction skyrocketed. To some it might appear as a coincidence that the country was downgraded just as we the people dug our heals in and demanded no more debt, but that couldn't be more rediculous. We were/are headed that way regardless of what we do now. Increasing our debt exponentially will only make the fall that much harder for our children down the road.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 10:39 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
This country has gone insane, just this morning I'm eating my corn flakes reading an article that says: "Is access to the Internet a “civil right?”
"Each individual’s answer to this question is generally dependent upon a variety of factors — political affiliation, geographic location, economic status and the like. While one side of the debate claims that high speed broadband access is most certainly a right that everyone, regardless of socioeconomic status, should enjoy, others disagree."
"increasingly, activists, analysts, and government officials are arguing that Internet access has become so essential to participation in society — to finding jobs and housing, to civic engagement, even to health — that it should be seen as a right, a basic prerogative of all citizens. And in cases where people don’t have access, whether because they can’t afford it or the infrastructure is not in place, the government should have the power — and perhaps the duty — to fix that."
This is a major problem here in America. The lazy class, welfare before work class, Cerulean's welfare army class, see all the luxuries of life and think they should have these things to just like those who have worked hard to acquire them. I've never lived in a neighborhood where there wasn't a library with computers hooked up to the internet. Most apartment complexes even have at least one computer you can use for free, but now they say having a high speed, broadband computer in every welfare home is a right? Cell phones will soon be a right for all welfare recipients, and the middle class will once more bare the brunt of this liberal social justice cause
NothingButTheTruth posted at 10:48 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
More insanity from the peoples republic of California.
"When California’s elected officials come back from their month-long recess they face a mountain of proposed legislation (almost 900 bills are lined up and waiting), including a new law (SB432) that would require hotels to eliminate flat sheets. Not having fitted sheets on hotel beds would now be a crime in California. This is not a joke. . .
California, the state trying to deal with a massive $26 BILLION dollar debt, is considering a law that some hospitality industry experts claim would add an estimated $15 to $30 million dollars in costs to an already hurting hotel industry. The low-end estimate of fifteen million is the projected cost to purchase new fitted sheets for the 550,000 hotel beds in the state. Of course the hospitality industry is claiming that these added costs will hurt their business and put jobs at risk."
Soon the middle class from across America will be paying taxes to bail this insanity out and Obummer will be more than happy to oblige. Hey I know, we can hire a bed sheet czar with a staff of 100 to oversee that they don't short sheet us. lol Don't you just love the socialist nanny state Cerulean?
Cerulean posted at 11:15 am on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
NothingButTT,
I was responding to Linda’s comment where she said, “This writer also believes our national safety is more vulnerable than ever, susceptible to terrorists and hostile countries who want to see us in ashes.”
I say, “Our nation is most vulnerable to the price of oil. In 2005 a barrel of oil cost $25, today it costs $80. We need to get serious about energy independence.”
I might agree that opening the gulf to more drilling may be profitable to the US if ‘royalty rates’ are increased enough to pay down the debt. That would be the condition. Keep in mind however that opening new wells is a very expensive prospect.
http://www.api.org/aboutoilgas/sectors/explore/oilandnaturalgas.cfm
The U.S. could increase royalties RIGHT NOW to reduce the debt or invest in cleaner energy – but there are those (Know-Nothings) who just say no!
BTW President Obama has increased permits to offshore drilling.
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/91701-interior-to-compare-us-oil-and-gas-royalty-rates-with-other-countries
NothingButTheTruth posted at 1:05 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
There you go again Cerulean, you say it might be profitable to open more drilling but only if the government taxes the heck out of big oil to take the profit motive away from producing domestic oil. All you people see are more bigger taxes to help fund the ever increasing welfare state. You want big government to solve your problems but you can't see that big government solves nothing but only grows bigger. That is all it ever does. It wont create jobs except if you mean the masses of paper regulation czars and welfare supervisory positions. But that's all just bigger government that needs more and more taxes to run, or continued increases in national debt. How about we just let oil explorers drill for oil here so that prices go down per barrel and people suddenly have more money to buy stuff so manufacturers can hire more people to make the stuff more people will buy now that they don't have to pay half a weeks wages on gas just getting to work. Sounds too simple doesn't it? It wont work right? How could it work without the good old middle man government taking their cut off the top? Sounds like the Mafia to me. Or maybe the old Soviet Union?
NothingButTheTruth posted at 1:10 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
"BTW President Obama has increased permits to offshore drilling.
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/91701-interior-to-compare-us-oil-and-gas-royalty-rates-with-other-countries"
The whole article is about increasing taxes on oil exploration with one single sentence at the bottom stating that The Obama administration recently announced plans to allow expanded offshore drilling. THE ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN IN APRIL OF 2010. THAT'S A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. GOT ANYTHING RECENT?
NothingButTheTruth posted at 1:24 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
Senate blocks GOP bill to expand offshore drilling
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20064047-503544.html
Trucking Group Urges Obama to Expand Offshore Drilling
http://www.joc.com/trucking/trucking-group-urges-obama-expand-offshore-drilling
Republican measures seek to expand offshore drilling
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7496807.html
Judge Holds Obama Administration in Contempt Over Offshore Drilling Ban
http://forgottenliberty.com/judge-obama-contempt-offshore-drilling-ban
Whatever this Obummer administration does means nothing as long as the democratic senate continues to block oil exploration in America. Even if the entire congress voted to allow drilling Obummer would veto it and you know it.
Obama Flip Flops on US Oil Drilling
http://conservativebyte.com/2011/05/obama-flip-flops-on-us-oil-drilling/
President Obama, facing voter anger over high gasoline prices and complaints from Republicans and business leaders that his policies are restricting the development of domestic energy resources, announced Saturday that he was taking several steps to speed oil and gas drilling on public lands and waters.
It was at least a partial concession to his critics at a time when consumers are paying near-record prices at the gas pump. The Republican-led House passed three bills in the last 10 days that would significantly expand and accelerate oil development in the United States, saying the administration was driving up gas prices and preventing job creation with antidrilling policies.
Administration officials said the president’s announcement, which included plans for expanded drilling in Alaska and the prospect of new exploration off the Atlantic coast, was intended in part to answer these arguments, signal flexibility and demonstrate his commitment to reducing oil imports by increasing domestic production.
So has the Messiah finally seen the light and realized it was fueled by oil? One can only hope.
Cerulean posted at 2:22 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
NothingButTT,
Oil is a commodity traded on the stock exchange. The US can no more affect the price of oil than you can affect the amount of rain that falls from the sky. The fact is that in 1972, oil production in the US began an irreversible decline. We are running out of domestic oil. The oil that is drilled off shore belongs to the Federal Government (i.e. all US citizens). Our royalties are among the lowest in the world, yet we have huge deficits of revenue and the oil industry profits soar to around 300 billion quarterly.
We do have natural gas we should exploit.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 3:10 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
Cerulean,
You mean that if more water falls from the sky, the price of water doesn't go down? The dynamics of supply and demand have no effect on the stock market?
International offshore fields belong to the country that has legal right to the coastal waters. So what? Let them drill for it. Oh. they can't? lol. Not much they can do but tax those who can since that seems to be all they can do. So lets raise taxes on those who can by those who can't so that those who can have no incentive anymore. That will sure create more jobs and raise the economy. Old John Galt is turning in his grave.
I too would like to see natural gas used more. It's all a matter of supply and demand. As we demand it, they produce it.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 3:36 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
"This is what I see: In the chaos of unemployment, debt, taxes, immigration and government domination, two clear sides of thinking have jelled; we are now two Americas, spanning across party lines." Linda speaks of democrats vs republicans, but never mentions race. America is no more the melting pot that fused Irish with Italians with English and other white European peoples. We are fast becoming a split nation of different races that do not like each other, do not speak the same languages, and does not want to meld together. Why we allowed this is another story, but what the future holds as a result of this fracturing of America is the story. All of the races don't like each other, but all of them seem to hate blacks. Wherever you look at violent racial strife it's almost always Latinos against blacks or whites against blacks or Asians against blacks or in many cases blacks against blacks. Now I know some will say race is a social construct and that there is only one race, but that ignores the problem. Already we are seeing mobs of young blacks terrorizing other racial groups throughout the world, and not just whites. In England recently, it seems to be blacks against Indians from Pakistan. Why is that? Is it retaliation for the days of the Klan? We called in the national guard to stop the Klan from terrorizing black communities and that was the right thing to do. The Klan were terrorists. Now I read reports that say black mob actions against whites aren't considered hate crimes when in fact these actions have a tendency to terrorize whites living in those areas. Interesting development we have here. Could this second revolution take on a more ominous characteristic? Instead of democrat vs republican, could it turn into black vs white?
Slabside posted at 7:17 pm on Mon, Aug 15, 2011.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name, what you see is Obama's class warfare strategy at work. He has spent three years dividing our nation, fanning the flames of class envy and resentment to deflect attention from his own failures and the economic hardship they have visited on America.
The riots we have witnessed in London will happen here as well.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 10:54 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Racism: Across the U.S., mobs of black youths are organizing on Facebook to loot stores and beat whites. Yet none dare call the “flash mob” attacks hate crime, least of all the attorney general.
The Associated Press is reporting that at least one of those arrested in the Wisconsin State Fair beatings said the mob was targeting whites, making it a hate crime. Where is Eric Holder’s civil rights division? About this epidemic of black-on-white assaults, we hear nothing.
Earlier this month in Philadelphia, marauding black flash mobs beat and robbed tourists and other innocent bystanders. Several people were hospitalized, including one man with a fractured skull.
Mayor Michael Nutter, Philly’s second black mayor, said enough is enough. In an angry lecture from the pulpit of Mount Carmel Baptist Church, he blasted the punks, saying “you have damaged your own race.”
Similar attacks are under investigation in Los Angeles, Chicago, Cleveland and Washington, D.C., where our first black president remains mum.
Why isn’t Obama equally disgusted by the black pack attacks? Perhaps because his own church glamorized the thug culture. His mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, told his South Side Chicago flock that those committing black-on-black crime are “fighting the wrong enemy.” During the 2008 presidential campaign, Geraldine Ferraro condemned Wright for preaching to young blacks that “it’s OK to beat up on white people.”
Imagine if the flash-mob victims were black instead of white. Holder would have launched a special investigation. With the races reversed, he just shrugs. In so many words he has said blacks are incapable of hate crimes because of their victimhood.
“There is a pervasive hostility toward (prosecuting) these types of cases,” said Christian Adams, a civil rights attorney who quit after Holder refused to prosecute the New Black Panther Party for intimidating white Philly voters in 2008.
To Holder, blacks are the permanent victims. But his department’s own data say otherwise. In most cases of interracial crimes, the victim is white and the perp is black. Black criminals choose white victims 45% of the time, while whites victimize blacks 3% of the time. More than twice as many whites are murdered by a black than cases of a white murdering blacks.
And despite under reporting, blacks commit a disproportionate share of hate crimes. In 2009, almost 20% of known offenders of hate crimes were black, even though blacks make up just 13% of the population.
Candidate Obama vowed to stand up for a civil rights unit that enforces laws “fairly and justly.” If his attorney general doesn’t pursue these black mob cases as hate crimes, punishing the offenders, he risks giving white racists an excuse to respond in kind.
This Obamanation has created an atmosphere of hate and anger toward white people and blacks feel they can do whatever they want to whites and not be held accountable. Could this be the second revolution you're trying to say Linda?
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 11:47 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
I am not a racist and your personal attack is unwarranted. I know this sounds trite but I do have friends that are black that I play golf with on a regular basis. They are the first to agree that this president is the first real white hating president in the history of American racism. They can see more race riots in our relatively near future. Could these riots be the start of the second revolution in this country? It's a valid argument that deserves consideration, but you want to stifle it as many others do because you think it's racist to bring attention to it. You have proved a point that to even mention black on white violence, which is proportionally enormous compared to white on black violence, you are automatically labeled as racist. Why is Attorney General Eric Holder so quiet about these crimes? Where is Eric Holder’s civil rights division? Does he really believe that blacks are incapable of hate crimes (terrorism) because of their victimhood? Senate President Russel Pearce is not a racist unless of course you are talking about illegal aliens. He definitely does not like illegal aliens invading our state and taking jobs away from Arizona citizens whether they be white, black, yellow or brown, but you go ahead and say what you like Cerulean if it fits your agenda.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 11:50 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Americans for Prosperity http://www.americansforprosperity.org/national-site.
Never been there before but I will check it out and report back to you what I find.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 12:49 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Linda I just viewed the video youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA and really love it. Too many truths to handle in just one viewing.
Rose you may be right in that it could start as a white/black thing, but I have to admit that blacks live at a lower socioeconomic level that any other group, and that it could look like a white/black revolution when in fact it is a socioeconomic revolution that may be on the horizon. But most of what you say is true about black violence and the Obozo's seemingly turning a blind eye to what is going on around the world and in some of our largest cities. We certainly do live in interesting times.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 3:18 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
You're entitled to your opinion Cerulean, but calling Rose a racist just ignores the truth that we live in today's America. Sure, We have always been a nation of colors and ethnicity. Not just “white European peoples”, but America was almost all white back when the White House was built, and today those facts are changing. You may be one of those who think multiculturalism is a strength, but look around the world where they have split races, ethnicity, and religion and all you see is violence. You think it's just White Anglo Saxon Protestants that don't like everyone else? Look around you and you see more Black/Latino hatred than anything else. I see very little White on Black violent hatred anymore. Mostly we see Black on black violence and that is sad. But to ignore this issue is about as ignorant as hating someone because of the color of their skin. You fall into one of those categories. Can you tell which one?
RationalHuman posted at 2:08 pm on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
Yikes!
Is Linda Turley-Hanson going to issue an apology and a retraction, or is she just going to leave her slander and lies up?
(yes, the question is rhetorical)
You go ahead and pray, Linda - but do it silently...those of us who are actually DOING something don't want to hear you bleat.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 2:26 pm on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
Immigration and Crime, or the high cost of ignoring the problem? I don't know about you but I can smell revolution in the wind stronger than the roses in my garden and I can see from who and where it will be coming from.
"Crime rates are at historic lows in the U.S., while the number of legal and illegal immigrants entering the country is at near record highs. Cities experiencing rapid growth in their Hispanic immigrant population often see local crime rates decline. Some see these trends as evidence that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than natives.
Do immigrants make us safer?
This conclusion appeals to the pro-immigration lobby, but it is intellectually dishonest and does not reflect reality. The (alleged) negative relationship between immigrants and crime is based on data that does not distinguish foreign-born from U.S.-born offenders and ignores the role race, age, and immigration status plays in criminality.
Recent research, including studies by pro-immigrant organizations, indicates that while the national crime rate is falling, crime rates for Hispanics and recent immigrants are rising. The overwhelming evidence — based on national victimization surveys and incarceration statistics — finds that Hispanics are more violence prone than non-Hispanic whites. Equally obvious: non-Hispanic blacks commit crimes at far higher rates than either Hispanics or non-Hispanic whites.
So what is the crime rate for Hispanic immigrants? In its simplest form, it is the number of Hispanic immigrants arrested for crime divided by the total Hispanic immigrant population. Ideally, we would compare this to corresponding rates for native-born whites, blacks, and Hispanics — to determine whether Hispanic immigration increases the overall crime rate.
It sounds simple. But there are big problems.
Most crimes are committed by individuals aged 15 to 44, with the 18 to 29 age range representing a sharp peak in criminal activity. The median age of U.S. Hispanics is around 27, near the peak of the top crime range. But the median for whites is over 40, putting nearly half beyond the range at which crime is likely. Failure to adjust crime rates for age difference can bias the picture
In addition, male inmates outnumber females in U.S. prisons by a ratio of 14 to 1. Since immigrants are (somewhat) more likely to be male, there is a built-in gender bias in immigrant crime statistics.
Ascertaining a convict’s place of birth is fiendishly difficult. Not only are felons reluctant to reveal their country of origin and lack of citizenship, but many localities forbid their police and prison personnel from even asking such questions.
Ideally we would like to compare the crime rates for Hispanics, non-Hispanic blacks, and non-Hispanic whites. Unfortunately the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report database does not separate Hispanics from other racial groups. Hispanic arrestees are reported as“white”,”black”, or even“Asian” — rendering the crime data useless for our purpose.
In fact, most Hispanic perpetrators are lumped in with non-Hispanic whites. This has the effect of narrowing the gap between black and white crime rates (by inflating the white rate) while suppressing information on Hispanic criminality. The inescapable conclusion: many Justice Department bureaucrats are too PC to present the truth on immigrant, primarily Hispanic, criminality.
Luckily, the folks that prepare the incarceration statistics didn’t get the memo. Their data carefully records ethnicity (Hispanic/non-Hispanic) as well as race of the prison population. Accordingly, my go-to source for ethnic crime statistics is the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ (BJS) annual analysis of data provided by federal and state correctional authorities.
The most recent report finds a total of 2,096,300 males were incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails at mid-year 2009 — 18 percent more than in 2000. The variation among the races is staggering: the number of white non-Hispanic male inmates rose by 4.5 percent over the 2000 to 2009 period, black-non-Hispanic male inmates were up by 6.2 percent, while the number of Hispanic males in U.S. prisons and jails exploded by 51.9 percent.
More troubling still are the divergent trends of the two most recent years for which we have data. From 2008 to 2009 the number of white male inmates declined by 15,000 (-2.6 percent); black male inmates declined by 5,000 (-0.6 percent); while the count of incarcerated Hispanic males rose by 15,000 (+3.5 percent.)
Of course, a growing Hispanic prison population may simply reflect the equally extraordinary growth in the total Hispanic population. We need incarceration rates to determine that. Fortunately, the Bureau of Justice Statistics calculates these rates – prisoners per 100,000 population — for each race and ethnicity.
As of June 30, 2009 (latest available data) the incarceration rate of black non-Hispanic males — 4,749 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents — was more than 6 times that of white non-Hispanic males (708 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents), and 2.6 times higher than Hispanic males (1,822 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents.)
Notwithstanding high black incarceration rates, non-Hispanics as a whole are significantly less likely than Hispanics to be in jail or prison:
In 2009 there were 1,822 Hispanic males in prison for every 100,000 Hispanic males in the U.S. population, and only 1,326 non-Hispanic males incarcerated for every 100,000 non-Hispanic males. In other words, Hispanic males were 37 percent more likely to be incarcerated than non-Hispanic males.
More importantly, the gap is growing. From 2000 to 2009 non-Hispanic incarceration rates declined while Hispanic incarceration rates rose.
Violent Crimes or Immigration Violations?
In a much-discussed article our old friend Ron Unz presents his own tables, charts, and correlations in an effort to prove Hispanic immigrants are not the crime-crazed group that many Americans suspect they are. [Ron Unz, His-Panic, The American Conservative, March 2010.] Unfortunately, Unz’s analysis of the immigration/crime link suffers from the same ambiguities and inconsistencies as those he (rightly) dismisses.
More unfortunate still: Unz ignores reliable data showing that Hispanics are rapidly catching up to blacks as the most violent demographic in the U.S.
Unz acknowledges that although the Hispanic/non-Hispanic crime rate differential shrinks somewhat in high-crime age brackets, it remains alarmingly high:
“So perhaps those fearful commentators are right and Hispanics commit crimes at roughly two-and-a half times the rate of whites in America.”
But then he demurs, citing extenuating circumstances of age, gender, and lastly, immigration status:
But even these lower figures may still be a bit misleading. As a recent front page New York Times story pointed out,over half of all federal prosecutions these days are for immigration-related offenses, and since a huge fraction of illegal immigrants are from south of the border, the 10 percent or so of U.S. prison inmates who are in federal custody might significantly distort our ethnic imprisonment statistics. Anyway, offenses such as robbery, rape, murder, burglary, assault, and theft are almost always prosecuted in state courts, so it makes sense to separate these street crimes from cases of illegal nannies convicted of illegal nannying.
To which we say: Amen. Our concern with immigrant crime has nothing to do with visa overstayers or even illegal entry per se. We are worried about personal safety.
Surely Unz understands this. Yet he conveniently ignores data that confirm our worst fears regarding Hispanic criminality: From 2000 to 2008 (the latest year of available data) the number of Hispanics serving time for violent crimes increased by 58 percent. Over the same period the number of non-Hispanic blacks jailed for such offenses rose by only 3.0 percent, while the corresponding number of non-Hispanic whites increased nearly 14 percent.
Put differently, the incarceration data indicate that Hispanics account for more than 40 percent of the recent increase in violent crime. That is nearly three times greater than their share of the U.S. population — 16 percent.
NB: Blacks are still far more likely to be incarcerated than Hispanics. There were more than twice as many blacks in prison for violent crimes in 2008 as Hispanics. But Hispanics are obviously narrowing the gap. The marginal perpetrator of violence in the U.S. is far more likely to be Hispanic than black.
Unz suggests that murder statistics are the most reliable of all:
A reasonable question arises: are all of these crime rates actual, or might they be statistical artifacts produced by widespread underreporting of crime in heavily Hispanic areas? We cannot absolutely eliminate this possibility, but for homicides the reporting rate is always close to 100 percent, and since for all these cities the homicide and other serious crime rates tend to follow very similar patterns, there is no evidence that any of these racial patterns were warped by substantial underreporting.
In fact, nowhere is the Hispanicization of violent crime more evident than in homicides:
Overall, the number of prisoners incarcerated for murder rose nearly 5 percent during the 2000 to 2008 period. The number of white non-Hispanics in that group increased by 2.5 percent, while the number of blacks actually fell by 3.5 percent. Hispanics bucked the trend: 9,000 more Hispanics were doing time for murder in 2008 than in 2000 — a whopping 38 percent increase. As far as murder is concerned, the new boys on the cell block are overwhelmingly Hispanic.
Of course, the Hispanic population is growing faster than that of the other groups. We must therefore adjust for differences in population growth. When we calculate homicide rates — prisoners sentenced for murder as a share of the population of each group — we find that homicide rates for Hispanics exceed those of non-Hispanics, and the gap is growing.
Hispanics were incarcerated for murder at a rate of 69 per 100,000 population in 2008 — or about 29 percent above the comparable rate for non-Hispanics (54 per 100,000.) As noted above, blacks remain the homicide leaders, but their murder rate has declined significantly. While both blacks and Hispanics are far more murder prone than whites, blacks have lowered this gap more than Hispanics.
Why are Hispanic murder rates stubbornly high? At a time when violent crime is declining across the country, it is hard to imagine U.S.-born Hispanics are fueling the upsurge. But Hispanic immigrants, a group disproportionately composed of males in the high-crime age brackets who come from a country where violent crime is on the upsurge, are the likely suspects. As Steve Sailer has pointed out:
Incarceration rates aren’t exactly the same as crime rates. Hispanic immigrants who commit murder area lot likelier to make a run for the border, on the other side of which are waiting friends and relatives, than are American-born homeboys, especially non-Hispanic blacks and whites.
You can see evidence of this at the Los Angeles Police Department’s Most Wanted website. A very large fraction of the LAPD’s Most Wanted have foreign first names, suggesting they were foreign-born."
The rest of Edwin S. Rubenstein's article with graphs can be found here: http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_21_4/tsc_21_4_rubenstein.shtml
NothingButTheTruth posted at 2:07 pm on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
Bill Ayers (who bombed the Pentagon, the New York Police Station and other places) and wife Bernadette Dohrn Escaped punishment for their crimes, they both became professors in Chicago and have had far-ranging influence over the demise of our educational system and over the political system of the Democrat Party.
They co-authored: “Prairie Fire: the Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism.”
Here are some highlights:
* "We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men ... deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against U.S. imperialism."
* "Our intention is to disrupt the empire, to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks, to make it hard to carry out its bloody functioning against the people of the world, to join the world struggle, to attack from the inside."
* "The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is revolutionary war."
* "Revolutionary war will be complicated and protracted. It includes mass struggle and clandestine struggle, peaceful and violent, political and economic, cultural and military, where all forms are developed in harmony with the armed struggle."
* "Without mass struggle there can be no revolution.
Without armed struggle there can be no victory."
* "We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society."
* "Our job is to tap the discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry, to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism."
* "Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat,and the eradication of the social system based on profit."
SPENDING THE COUNTRY INTO BANKRUPTCY; THE DOWNGRADE OF OUR CREDIT; THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIES AND THE DELIBERATE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ENERGY ENERGIES ARE ALL PART OF THEIR MISSION STATEMENT THAT SEEKS THE ERADICATION OF THE SOCIAL SYSTEM BASED ON PROFIT.
DON'T EVER FORGET THAT OBAMA'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WAS LAUNCHED FROM BILL AYERS' HOUSE.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 3:35 pm on Fri, Aug 19, 2011.
A US Day of Rage is set for Sept. 17th. It is the title given to a day of ostensibly “non-violent” civil disobedience orchestrated by a group of radicals — that reportedly include SEIU’s Stephen Lerner and ACORN founder Wade Rathke (who, coincidentally, formerly served as president of SEIU’s local New Orleans branch) — targeting Wall Street and U.S. capitalism. It’s worth noting that the title of the movement — if its intentions are indeed non-violent in nature — appears to contradict itself slightly.
But what is perhaps even more interesting than its title is who is allegedly behind the movement.
You may recall that back in March, Lerner was exposed for stating his aspirations to destroy JP Morgan Chase and cause the collapse of the entire stock market.
Now, the US Day of Rage protests, staged by a collective of activist groups allegedly in conjunction with Lerner and Rathke, are planning the actual “occupation” of Wall Street September 17, complete with a tent city set smack-dab in the middle of Manhattan’s financial district. Similar protests are purportedly set to take place across the nation — and even world — at the same time. Some Day of Rage organizers are even calling on activists to squat in Manhattan’s financial district for months at a time.
The Blaze’s report on Lerner, who serves on SEIU’s International Executive Board, caught the union agitator stating:
So, a bunch of us around the country are thinking about who would be a really good company to hate? We decided that would be JP Morgan Chase. …. And so we’re going to roll out over the next couple of months what will hopefully be an exciting campaign about JP Morgan Chase that is really about challenge the power of Wall Street. And so what we’re looking at is in the first week of May, we get enough people together – we’re starting now – to really have a week of action in New York with the goal of … I don’t want to go into any details because I don’t know which police agents are in the room, but the goal would be that we would roll out in New York the first week in May.
Then, like clockwork, some 400 activists brought Lerner’s dream to fruition and converged on JP Morgan Chase’s annual shareholders’ meeting in May — this time in Columbus, Ohio rather than New York. The group that staged this particular protest, the National People’s Action, reportedly confirmed it was there as part of its “Showdown in America” campaign against the big banks. Since the location of JP Morgan Chase’s meeting was surrounded by a moat, the activists, who likened themselves to Robin Hood, even brought a collapsible bridge to “storm the castle.”
Imagine that, a bunch of communists likening themselves to Robin Hood. Like Fidel Castro before them they will rob from the rich to give to themselves. It's an old story reenacted hundreds of times before, but never with such a lie as to who will really benefit. Marx, Lenin, Mao, and Castro would be so proud to see them succeed.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 6:24 pm on Fri, Aug 19, 2011.
On Thursday August 18, 2011 The city of Los Angeles will no longer hire Standard & Poor's to rate its $7 billion general investment pool because the firm recently downgraded the city's portfolio from AAA to AA.
Interim Treasurer Steve Ongele says the city has lost faith in S&P's judgment.
The Los Angeles Times ( http://lat.ms/oa5dt8) reports Ongele told the City Council's Budget and Finance Committee this week that the city should be proud for cutting ties with S&P.
He notes the market crash that came with the real estate debacle occurred because rating agencies like S&P gave unworthy corporations AAA ratings.
Ongele says canceling the contract will save the city $16,000 a year.
Information from: Los Angeles Times, http://www.latimes.com
"Answers from Liberals is always 'shoot the messenger'. The City (and the State) are almost bankrupt, so their answer is to fire the bearer of bad tidings. If they would get rid of the illegals the City might get back on an ever footing. Will that happen? Never."
--David
Arizona Willie posted at 8:44 am on Fri, Sep 2, 2011.
As far as the Los Angeles City Council is concerned the illegals are those with American Birth Certificates.
hoopydreams posted at 8:21 am on Sat, Sep 3, 2011.
Although I do feel it's wrong to play a blame game on the Tea Party, for it being their fault that messed this all up, it does bring up a point of "lets work together for the people we work FOR." The Tea Party has been sticking so close to their home base GOP and voting on political lines rather than FOR the people that voted them in.
When it comes to cutting costs, Obama has a chance here for real change. But before we go all willy nilly on GOP this, Liberals that, both sides are to blame. GOP for supporting long wars that have cost us not billions but TRILLIONS of dollars. Wars that our last president threw us into. Wars that this president won't stop and start pulling troops. A poorly drawn up healthcare plan.
When I took Economics 101 one of the first things we learned was that the economics of today are largely dependent on what happened 10 years ago. When Bush first got into office he knew the housing market was going to collapse on itself, and the Democratic congress did nothing, making him out to be a fool. Four years later he brought it up again to his Republican congress, they thought he was a fool. Now 10 years later the fool was right. He knew this was going to happen. Crazy world huh?
Cas Lee posted at 7:59 pm on Sun, Oct 28, 2012.
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I watched the Oct. 3rd, 11th, 16th, and 22nd debates.
1st Romney-Obama debate covered 7 topics: jobs; budget deficit/debt; social security/entitlements; federal gov’t economic regulation and role; healthcare; partisan gridlock.
2nd Romney-Obama debate covered 11 topics: college graduate jobs; gas prices; taxes; equal pay; Bush policies; Obama’s record; illegal immigrants; Libya; assault weapons; jobs; candidate misperceptions.
3rd Romney-Obama debate covered 10 topics: Libya; Syria; Egypt; U.S. world role; military spending; Israel; Iran; Afghanistan; China; U.S. national security threats.
Ryan-Biden debate covered 10 topics: Libya; Iran; economy; medicare/social security/entitlements; tax reform/spending/budget cuts; military policy; Afghanistan; Syria; abortion; negative campaign tactics.
Romney and Ryan won all 4 debates, although Obama improved some in the 2nd debate and Romney slightly took the win both in the 2nd and 3rd debates.
In the 3rd debate (unlike in prior debates), Obama reflected his weakness and disrespect by interrupting Romney a lot and using too many “one-line quips” to try to denigrate Romney.
Ryan won despite Biden’s consistently rude behavior during the debate (often interrupted Ryan, laughed when Ryan talked, pointed his finger). Biden’s tactics to evade issues/truth disrespected Americans interested in facts, figures, forecasts, and solutions for real people with real problems.
Romney and Ryan won with substance, directness, integrity, respect, clarity, facts, commitment, inspiration, credibility, and leadership.
As an INDEPENDENT female feminist (egalitarian) voter, I support the Romney/Ryan ticket.
Romney and Ryan, with their no-nonsense and methodic approach to solving America’s problems, are the best persons in terms of qualifications and character to lead our country and make life better for all Americans.
I am inspired by Romney/Ryan, and I hope that you are too!
Best regards,
Cas Lee
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