Just imagine there was a giant swarm of super-super liberal freshmen in Congress. They had given the president a "shellacking," secured a large number of seats in the House of Representatives and had been on the job for eight months. Just a bunch of lockstep liberals clogging up the Capitol.
In that time, they'd done amazingly little work while cashing their government paychecks. Sure, they're supposed to represent a nation still wounded from the worst economic disaster in two generations. Instead they spend all of their time debating and passing symbolic go-nowhere bills while going on television to blame the economy on the president. That's when they're not on recess. These freshmen hate Washington so much they're almost never there.
Oh, and their battle cry while doing nothing which keeps the government from functioning? "Washington is broken!"
These imagined liberal freshmen are extremists. They've already signed a pledge with a liberal lobbyist saying that they will not - under any circumstances whatsoever - cut, alter or in any way change social safety nets. So whatever burning national issue of overriding importance comes up their only solution is to adhere to their lobbyist's pledge.
The Smurfs use the word "smurf" for all verbs. As in: "I'm going to smurf you!" These extreme no-lawmakers use "social security." As in: "We can social security our way out of this crisis."
And they want to rewrite the Constitution. Yes, they say it's a great document (blah blah blah) but it would be much better if it were amended to suit their sole goal of bringing down the incumbent president. So since the last amendment took 203 years from proposal to ratification - they decide no one can do anything until we have another amendment.
Then the polls say that Congress' approval rating is at an all time low. The margin of error looks more favorably on the Congress than the American public. As a direct result of the brazen incompetence and blind ideology - a rating agency downgrades the country's Treasuries. The stock market tumbles. These liberal tea party-like folks are caught on video cheering at the news of the chaos they've caused.
If they were liberals, Fox News would run headlines: "Liberals Hate America." Well, basically Fox News would say pretty much the same stuff, but in this case it would be warranted.
These liberal obstructionists would be called terrorists. Not just maybe once in a private off the record meeting with the VP - but on the record and all the time. Since these liberal freshmen would seem to have the same economic goals for the U.S. as Osama bin Laden - that would be pointed out repeatedly. They'd be accused of treason. Their loyalty would be questioned: "Are they upholding the Constitution or their pledge?" There would be calls to deport them. People would tell them to leave the country and go wreck some other economy. They'd be dubbed a hoard of Neros fiddling with their pledges while Rome burned.
If liberals were doing to their country what extremist tea party Republicans are doing to theirs - it would be called unpatriotic. A whole tsunami of sound bites would sweep the country calling for the sabotage to stop.
Liberal dissent is akin to a security breach but conservative economic calamity is given a pass. We've treated the tea party like they are our country's kooky, graying, drunken uncle at Thanksgiving dinner spouting some non sequiturs he picked up on AM radio. When really they are well-funded economic saboteurs who refuse to participate in the democratic process. Their goal of causing the executive branch of government to fail means our entire country goes with it.
The media likes to pretend it treats the political spectrum as opposite equals. The right is the same as the left - the other side of the same argument. Politics is not symmetrical nor is the coverage of the partisans. Nothing makes this clearer than the coverage and tolerance of the brinksmanship-happy tea party.
If liberals did this to their own country they'd be called criminals. The tea party activists did do this to their own country and they are treated like avant-garde Civil War reenactors.
Tina Dupuy is a syndicated columnist and fill-in host at The Young Turks. She can be reached at tinadupuy@yahoo.com.
k33j88 posted at 4:01 am on Fri, Aug 19, 2011.
Thank you Nothingbutthe truth----ah yes---and the "ANNOINTED ONE" has surrounded himself with die-hard marxists. All this time I thought CZARS lived in Russia. Thank GOD for the TEA-PARTY movement.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 8:56 pm on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
Socialism is for billionaires. If you wanted to control the nation’s manufacturing, commerce, finance, transportation and natural resources, you would need only to control the apex, the power pinnacle, of an all-powerful socialist government. Then you would have a monopoly and could squeeze out all your competitors. If you wanted a national monopoly, you must control a national socialist government. If you want… a worldwide monopoly, you must control a world socialist government. That is what the game is all about. “Communism” is not a movement of the downtrodden masses but is a movement created, manipulated and used by power-seeking billionaires in order to gain control over the world…. first by establishing socialist governments in the various nations and then consolidating them all through a “Great Merger,” into an all-powerful world, socialist super-state.
--Gary Allen
NothingButTheTruth posted at 4:56 pm on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
So who is the real economic hitmen in this nation. Obummer promised great changes and hope. How does one create great changes in a nation? Castro did it. Stalin did it. Mao did it. How does Obummer want to do it?
Bill Ayers (who bombed the Pentagon, the New York Police Station and other places) and his wife co-authored this book: Prairie Fire: the Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism
Here are some highlights:
* "We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men ... deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against U.S. imperialism."
* "Our intention is to disrupt the empire, to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks, to make it hard to carry out its bloody functioning against the people of the world, to join the world struggle, to attack from the INSIDE."
* "The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is REVOLUTIONARY WAR."
* "Revolutionary war will be complicated and protracted. It includes mass struggle and clandestine struggle, peaceful and violent, political and ECONOMIC, cultural and military, where all forms are developed in harmony with the armed struggle."
* "Without mass struggle there can be no revolution.
Without ARMED STRUGGLE there can be no victory."
* "We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society."
* "Our job is to TAP THE DISCONTENT SEETHING IN MANY SECTORS OF THE POPULATION, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry, TO MOBILIZE POOR AND WORKING PEOPLE against imperialism."
* "Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy.(CAPITALISM IS WHITE SUPREMACY?) Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based on profit."
SPENDING THE COUNTRY INTO BANKRUPTCY; THE DOWNGRADE OF OUR CREDIT; THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIES AND THE DELIBERATE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ENERGY ENERGIES ARE ALL PART OF THEIR MISSION STATEMENT THAT SEEKS THE ERADICATION OF THE SOCIAL SYSTEM BASED ON PROFIT.
DON'T EVER FORGET THAT OBAMA'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WAS LAUNCHED FROM BILL AYERS' HOUSE.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 3:02 pm on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
Said in a way most of you will understand mo better.
The folks who are getting free cr@p, don't like the folks who are paying for the free cr@p, because the folks who are paying for the free cr@p, can no longer afford to pay for both the free cr@p and their own cr@p. And, the folks who are paying for the free cr@p, want the free cr@p to stop. And the folks who are getting the free cr@p, want even MORE free cr@p on top of the free cr@p they're already getting!
Now..... The people who are forcing the people who PAY for the free cr@p, have told the people who are RECEIVING the free cr@p, that the people who are PAYING for the free cr@p, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.
So .... the people who are GETTING the free cr@p, have been convinced they need to HATE the people who are PAYING for the free cr@p by the people who are forcing the people who are PAYING for the free cr@p and GIVING them the free cr@p in the first place.
I'm old enough to remember before the state took over the welfare of the people and started taxing the cr@p out of us to pay this out of control welfare state. Back then we gave because others needed and we didn't need the state to force us. Now the state is wasteful and needs ever increasing taxes to pay for all this cr@p and we the people are really getting mad. Hence, the tea party.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 2:23 pm on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
Better Way To Look at Debt Ceiling ...
A. You come home from work and find there has been a sewer backup and you have sewage up to your ceilings.
B. What do you do---- raise the ceilings, or pump the cr@p out?
Most politicians want to raise the ceilling.
Most tea party activists want to pump the cr@p out.
mnjcpa posted at 12:36 pm on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
Here we go....one in a line of liberal journalists Dupuy writes about the Tea Party - "When really they are well-funded economic saboteurs who refuse to participate in the democratic process. Their goal of causing the executive branch of government to fail means our entire country goes with it."
What Dupuy would find out if she actually studied the monetary system is the bringing down scare tactics Obama used to make a Stand about a debt deal was false deadline. Another in a string of lies to cover up what the real agenda is about is what's not right.
Those freshman congress were following what they were elected to do - stop the Obama administration from spending America in to oblivian. The Tea Party is a movement, not a party. And last November ~ and I suspect next November too ~ a landslide vote told their elected officials loud and clear that they were tired of this nonsense. Many young liberals like Dupuy don't really get that all this is a massive fleecing job to redistribute wealth. Or maybe they do get it and think it's just fine.
I talk to small business owners every day all over the country. Somehow culturally we're in a place where you're a person of interest if you're successful. These hard-working Americans I talk to unaminously agree with those brave young Republican congressman who took a stand for what was right.
What is criminal are news sources who refuse to report the facts rather than some of most promotional, uncritical press coverage in the history of the presidency. A group of people who did what they were hired to do is refreshing.
VofReason posted at 12:06 pm on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
I heard Allen West on TV the other night. He is one smart guy and what we should expect from our politicians. He had an earful for Obama and the Democrates and followed up with some ideas of what will carry the country forward- surprisingly no talk or higher spending or taxes.
Slabside posted at 11:29 am on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
"President Obama is being soundly critisized now by all media"
You're wrong as usual. Nothing is being said against Obozo on MSNBC or CNN. Fox is the only source reporting both sides of the fence.
Dale Whiting posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
Perhaps the strongest argument against a media with a liberal bias is the fact that President Obama is being soundly critisized now by all media and that most media has totally ignored Ron Paul's close second place finish in Ames, Iowa.
Explain this you advocates of Fox News!
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 8:53 am on Thu, Aug 18, 2011.
VofReason, now that is the voice of reason. Allen West wouldn't make a bad president. He's not my first choice, but I would vote for him before I'd vote for any of the progressive socialist democrats out there. I would like to see a Michele Bachmann/Ron Paul GOP ticket. Now there are two fine people who have the courage of convictions to turn this country back on the course that made it great.
VofReason posted at 1:10 pm on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
I am personally proud that our country is at the point where a black man was elected as President. They just picked the wrong one. I hope that this does not harm future people other than whites from being elected. However, I do hope it prevents socialist, terrorist befriending, communist czar picking, white hating sermon attending people from ever being elected again.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
Hey Cerulean you want to see real racism? Fired-Up Rep. Waters To Black Voters: "We Don‘t Criticize Obama Because You ’Love’ Him" After what he's done to black voters they really do still love him, but I wouldn't call that racism, just ignorance of the facts.
"The scene Tuesday at a Congressional Black Caucus tour stop in Detroit mirrored a large-scale argument more than a political town hall meeting. And things got testy when Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters expressed disappointment with the president and challenged the crowd regarding its “love” for Obama."
“We don’t put pressure on the president,” said Waters to cheers and jeers as people interrupted at will and yelled at her. “Let me tell you why. We don‘t put pressure on the president because ya’ll love the president. You love the president. You’re very proud…to have a black man [in the White House] …First time in the history of the United States of America. If we go after the president too hard, you’re going after us.”
Cerulean posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
Rose,
Your intent (whether you personally believe it or not, I cannot say) appears to form a conclusion that the U.S. cannot self- govern.
Why? Because we have a ‘black’ man (i.e. poor, weak , uneducated or , more simply, not a WASP) in office who is incapable of ‘standing tall’ to the evils in society (i.e. everyone but WASP’s). You know who ‘they’ are, all those disgusting little leftist who vote Democrat and roam the streets at night in mobs of dark colors while ‘they’ speak some sort of Latin that no one can comprehend but we know ‘they’ scare hell out of you.
Then, you wrap the Constitution around your ideas with a little pin flag on your lapel.
I can assure you that my rant could have extended for pages too, but I am certain I would have been edited.
VofReason posted at 12:30 pm on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
Dear Tina. The echo chamber is calling. Please come back...... Boy these nuts are going to go ballistic when Obama gets a shellacking in 2012. Then there will really be a Tea Party equivalent full of nutty liberals (though much smaller).
k33j88 posted at 7:20 am on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
Dear Tina: Compare me to a liberal? This Tea Partier is a true patriot, not wanting big govn't, burdensom taxes, nor a non-representive political base. Returning to core constitutional priciples is not only patriotic, but necessary in today's world.
In_God_We_Trust posted at 12:29 am on Wed, Aug 17, 2011.
Rich says, "I mean do you really think that Tina Dupuy has anything at all even vaguely intelligent to say?" While I don't think she's very intelligent, I am impressed with how she bashed the tea party as economic terrorists in much the same way Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr. did. To a big spender, ultra liberal, which she is, the tea party is an unholy alliance with Satan himself. Imagine that, she spews all that venom when all the tea party demands is that we live within our means. Kind of kooky and sounds dangerous to me. Maybe just sour grapes cause her side caved lol
Rich posted at 9:28 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
IGWT, Logic is only logic. Basically if I posit A & B my conclusion is C. As in IF someone opposes Obama that person is a racist. IGWT opposes Obama. Therefore IGWT is a racist. There is only one logical conclusion that isn't in doubt, Can I doubt I doubt? The only proof you have that you exist. When you erase the propositions, you erase logic and dialectic, the arguments by which we learn is also erased. The media has a several thousand year history of manipulating this to make a living. Witness the empty headed blond who wrote the original article. I once wrote weekly columns, you have to say something, or they won't send you a check. And to engage in allowing people to know and understand each other works against that paycheck. Therefore it isn't allowed, I mean do you really think that Tina Dupuy has anything at all even vaguely intelligent to say?
In_God_We_Trust posted at 8:45 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Rich, I have seen what Cerulean calls debate and dialog and it has been nothing but personal attacks calling Rose a racist. Calling someone a racist is a very strong attack. To be called a racist is not much different than calling someone a Nazi. Two very nasty things to be for sure. Two things most people in power loath to be called because they tend to stick no matter what the truth is. Much like being accused of being a child molester. I'm surprised Cerulean was censored for these attacks since I have heard worse said about Pearce in this paper and not seen them deleted. Hard to say what motivates the censors these days. I'd like to see a Backman/Paul republican ticket myself. Two very fine people with the leadership skills to get us out of this mess.
Rich posted at 8:21 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Cerulean,
It's mythology is Thomas Paine, it's reality is Niccolo Machiavelli, the sooner you realize that the better off we will all be. I sympathize with your inability to carry on a logical argument in the Trib. It isn't possible in the Republic either. The only power left to them is to censor. Ron Paul almost beat MS Bachman. The media doesn't want Ron Paul, therefore he is persona non grata. Maybe we should find a nice public transport accessible pub.
samkat posted at 7:57 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Tina: I sense that you are a dyed in the wool liberal. Now, I don't care for the tea party either but the manner in which you dissed them is inappropriate assuming you are an unbiased reporter. I doubt that however that you even watch Fox News based on your comments. Fox cannot possibly be any worse than Rachel Maddows on MSNBC. She is a flaming far left liberal from the word go.
Cerulean posted at 7:24 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
I have watched the video and I have read Common Sense, Rights of Man and other essential writing of Thomas Paine.
In the book Thomas says,
“ . . . those who are concerned in the government of a country make it their study to sow discord and cultivate prejudices between nations, it becomes more unpardonable.” (page134 paperback)
I do not agree that the video reenactment has anything to do with the real Thomas Paine, or what he stood for in life.
It would be equitable if I could respond to all of your comments in kind, however the censors at the Tribune do not seem to appreciate my perspective. No matter, the readers of your posts, if there are any beside myself, can determine your intent for themselves.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 7:16 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Rich you might also point out that around 94% of American blacks voted for Obozo. Now that was to be expected. The really interesting story is that Obozo was elected because over 44% of white people voted for him. Now either 94% of American blacks are just plain smarter than the rest of us who didn't, or there might just be a little racism in those figures. Of course I have to stretch the meaning of racism well beyond anything it was ever meant to describe, but C'est la vie.
Rich posted at 6:45 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Cerulean,
It's rather obvious. You are defending Obama because he's black. He's incompetent, inept and at this point rather ridiculous. By any objective standard, he's a total failure. But because of his skin color, it's all good? That's racist. The same garbage that is affirmative action. He has the right to compete on a level floor, no passes based on the color of his skin. You are denying that to him, and to the rest of us. You're patting your little black 'brother' on the head, and that is racist as well as condescending.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 6:30 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Oh BTW, thanks for entering into somewhat serious dialog on the subject. See, that wasn't so hard.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 6:29 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
""Rose said, ”. . . . most whites are republican.” Most of those whom sit in front of nickel slot machines in Las Vegas are white too, what does that tell you about socioeconomic conditions?"
Whites have more nickles?
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 6:27 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Ok Cerulean, I watched the Koch brothers put down video. Amazing how everyone wants to live with their own kind in their own neighborhoods - blacks also want to live with other blacks -, but somehow it's in their children's best interest to bus them into other (white) neighborhoods? Who's interests? Just who does forced busing help? It's wealth redistribution and wealth redistribution is racism. That's right Cerulean. Forced wealth redistribution in the form of busing is racist. Of course we are talking socioeconomic and political conditions, but that's all code for race after all. Rich white republicans don't want to have their children forced into schools with poor black democrats. No one prospers under rediculous conditions like that. Well maybe the white schools basketball and football teams. There are studies I've read that prove that blacks do better academically in mostly to all black schools. Trying to keep up with the socioeconomically advantaged white children and just plain smarter Asian children just demoralizes and frustrates them and they drop out sooner than they would should. Asian kids go where they like and do better than anyone else regardless of what bus they take. Maybe the question should be what are they doing that is better than what white and black parents are doing instead of busing everyone around? Busing is a waste of money that could be better spent giving schools in lower socioeconomic communities a better school. It's the segregation that gets you Cerulean. Heck, they are already segregated and mostly by choice. Busing was a tool that was used to break the so called equal but separate schools of the deep south. We all know the history. It was a deceptive device to keep the black man in his place, and there was no equal about it. Times have changed and blacks need to get over the past and stop throwing the race card every chance they get cause it makes them a few dollars when they do it. Jesse Jackson and Alfred Charles Sharpton are two racial ambulance chasers that come to mind. Two people who got filthy rich throwing around the race card. Whoever you are, you need to get over it too and start facing reality. Oh and I checked out the Americans For Prosperity site you mentioned. A very nice conservative web site that seems to favor free enterprise as opposed to that racist wealth redistribution that this Obamanation endorses. Thanks for the pointer.
Cerulean posted at 5:54 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Rose said, ”. . . . most whites are republican.” Most of those whom sit in front of nickel slot machines in Las Vegas are white too, what does that tell you about socioeconomic conditions?
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 5:43 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Ok Cerulean, I'll watch why the Koch brothers want to end public education if you will watch this video. youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA
Cerulean posted at 5:28 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
As long as the East Valley Tribune censors by deleting my posts, there really is no debate. So lets end the pretense.
Please do watch this video: http://youtu.be/2mbJhjCbwo8
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 5:17 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Now I see that the definition of racism has been so broadened to such an extent that it is a term that can be applied to just about anyone in need of a label to defame and censor their thoughts and beliefs. If you say something that even comes close to the truth regarding race relations here in America, you will be labeled and smeared as a lowly loathsome degenerate racist. It works so well that the media are afraid to mention race in many cases. Most articles that describe the recent mob attacks say nothing as to the racial makeup of the victims or attackers as if that isn't the story when in fact that is the story. Fortunately, that is changing and people are starting to learn who is doing what and why. The liberal media really has no choice. like it or not.
NothingButTheTruth, I read your comment in the other article and socioeconomic conditions are playing a part in much the same way that most blacks are democrats and most whites are republican. One could say it's the poor, black, democrats against the rich, white republicans and you wouldn't be that far off. That is why, Cerulean, when I say that Linda doesn't mention race, it is so intertwined in her article that it cannot be missed by anyone except for those who refuse to see the obvious.
A_Rose_By_Any_Other_Name posted at 4:55 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Well I'm sorry. I didn't know that racism is when you frame the color, ethnicity or language of a person as the divisive factor in a relationship. Then you use that division to ridicule, degrade, blame etc etc. Heck, I always thought racism was the denial of equal opportunity to institutions we all take for granted like police protection, marriage, education, employment and many others. Gee, thanks for edjamacating me to what racism really is. And isn't racism also when you state the facts about race relations here in America? Isn't that really what you're calling racism here Cerulean?
Slabside posted at 3:57 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Rich and NothingButTheTruth... well said both of you!!
Cerulean posted at 3:55 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Rich said, "The only racist here Cerulean is you." Please be so gracious as to explain yourself, Rich.
BTW, Rich all of your self serving defense, is - not impressive.
Rich posted at 3:39 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Cerulean, your race card is getting old, tired and dog-eared. Obama is one of the most incompetent American presidents and the most incompetent of my lifetime, in other words from Truman forward. The clincher is after a budget mess and a credit tumble, he takes off on a campaign swing and a vacation and has absolutely zero to do with his skin color. I spent my summers in college enrolling people to vote in the deep South. I did it because I believed and still do, that race is irrelevant people need to be approached as individuals. The only racist here Cerulean is you. I'm not excusing Obama from the total mess he has made of things, he is my equal in terms of both rights and responsibilities. Unlike those of you who shoulder the "white man's burden" and excuse him. And yes, it is partially Bushes' fault, but then it also partially Millard Fillmore's.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 3:32 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
You see that too Slabside? Cerulean does suffer from double standards indeed. He's probably one of those liberals who think blacks are a protected race and can't commit racial crimes because of what was done to their ancestors long ago. A hypocrite and a liar all at the same time.
As for dregstudios, I don't see how anyone could be that far out in left field and not be locked up in some insane asylum. Enough said about that.
Slabside posted at 2:42 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Cerulean, I do not seem to recollect you're saying anything to Rodini when he says we hate Obama because he's black. Double standards I see.
Slabside posted at 2:32 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
dregstudios are you for real? You take Palin hysteria to remote new levels! Did you know:
* That the Frankenstein monster once had an affair with Palin?
* Chuck Norris is afraid of Sarah Palin?
* Lucifer has a tatoo of Sarah Palin on his arm?
* Sarah Palin's black magic conjured up Hurricane Katrina and the Japan Tsunami?
* Sarah Palin traveled back in time to 1912 and personally pushed the iceberg in front of the Titanic?
Don't look now but Sarah Palin is stalking you right now in front of your house!!!
Cerulean posted at 2:21 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
NothingButTT are you Rose? That is interesting. Rose does not know what racism is. He/she believes that because he is ignorant of racism, his racism must not exist. Nothing is farther from the truth.
I did NOT call Rose a racist because he used the word ‘black’. You are racists when you frame the color, ethnicity or language of a person as the divisive factor in a relationship. Then you use that division to ridicule, degrade, blame etc etc.
To say that a division is between Democrat and Republican excludes race. To say that a division is between yellow (Asian) and red (Indian) and we all hate yellow, is racists - especially if it is not true. Nothing more.
Rich posted at 1:05 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Don't think anybody is really a traitor. The TP is simply a reaction to the fact that both big government and big business have failed. This leaves a bunch of people who don't want to pay for failure anymore, and recognize that only the people, sucking it up and finding ways to invent, innovate, build and work is going to make anything better. Government isn't bad or traitorous, simply an incompetent, lame failure. Big business, for the most part is the idiots who drove the world's largest corporations into bankruptcy and bail-out, and they haven't changed their attitude or techniques. Liberalism failed badly, following a collapse by the Conservatives, it's time to marginalize both.
NothingButTheTruth posted at 12:39 pm on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
So Tina, you need to imagine the tea party as a liberal group in order to spread manure and lies about them? Your infantile confusion does not confuse us. sorry.
Hey NEO_CON! I mean Dale. The liberal media have turned on Obummer cause they finally figured out what I've always known. Obummer is Bush in black face. Ut oh, don't tell Cerulean I said black or he'll call me a racist.
Arizona Willie, About 2/3 of the national debt was run up by REPUBLICANS, and I know you mean republican presidents, but in almost all of those cases the DEMOCRATS controlled both houses of congress. You need to get over this idea that the problem is a democrat or republican one. If you cannot then just ignore the problems and just blame who ever you don't like. I knew a guy once who was always saying his problems were his parents fault. Since it was his parents fault he didn't feel like it was his responsibility to fix his problems. Needless to say, he didn't fair well in his life.
This is such a great video that people of all walks of life should listen to. youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA
chatmandu002 posted at 10:45 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Gee I thought we did have a liberal congress and president for at least 2 years, and still nothing much happened. And the few things that did happen turned out to be bad, unconstitutional, very expensive and increased our indebtedness. No budget, no jobs, no recovery, no hope and no change.
Accuracy posted at 10:19 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Dale Whiting posted: “Explain this you vociverous Neo-cons!” . . . Implying vociferous.
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Neo-con name-calling again: There’s no explanation needed for Dale’s sarcastic name-calling.
Dale Whiting posted at 7:48 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Perhaps the strongest argument against a media with a liberal bias is the fact that President Obama is being soundly critisized now by all media and that most media has ignored Ron Paul's close second place finish in Ames, Iowa.
Explain this you vociverous Neo-cons!
Arizona Willie posted at 7:14 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Leon Cenisceros--you talk about the Democrats being the party of TAX AND SPEND --- but ignore the fact the Republicans are the party of BORROW AND SPEND.
The Bush administration started TWO wars without funding them and put them OFF BUDGET so they wouldn't show up on the deficit. And the Bush administration created the Medicare Prescription Benefit program ( that pays drug companies FULL RETAIL PRICE for drugs with no competitive bidding ) and didn't fund that either.
They BORROWED the money for the wars and the drugs.
BORROWED BORROWED BORROWED
Which means your grandkids will be paying off the debt from those wars for Bush's ego.
About 2/3 of the national debt was run up by REPUBLICANS.
THAT'S A FACT.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:07 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
mesateacher --- that depends on what spending you're talking about cutting.
If you want to talk about ending the wars and bringing the troops home and saving billions of dollars that way -- I AGREE.
If you want to talk about closing military bases in countries that are under no threat from anyone -- such as the bases in England and Germany and many other countries ---- I AGREE.
If those countries want us to continue to provide their defense they MUST PAY THE TOTAL COST of our presence there.
If you want to talk about ending subsidies for ALL businesses ( after all business claims they deserve a profit because they take a risk ... then they expect government to ensure they don't lose ) --- I AGREE.
If you want to talk about ending tax breaks for ALL businesses ( same reason as above ) --- I AGREE.
If you want to talk about ending Social Security and Medicare and other programs that help PEOPLE --- then HELL NO HELL NO HELL NO.
But the rightwingers want to heap more money on the military and give business even MORE tax breaks and subsidies and cut ALL programs that help PEOPLE.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 6:54 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Talk about Left-wing Liberal...."paranoia"......lol.
For a minute when I was reading her "diatribe"....I thought that I was watching the ASU-PBS Channel 8 "HORIZON" tv show at 7pm hosted by Ted "WHAT'S WRONG WITH ARIZONA ???" SIMMON.
All you have to do to see this ...LEFT-WING LIBERAL PARANOIA...is turn on MSNBC or lately....CNN.
Has Wolf Blitzer become a "mouthpiece for Barack Hussein Obama" ???
Watch the way Wolf...."questions"..Obama....."Mr. President ...kiss...kiss...kiss"...."Mr. President....love...love...love".
Why doesn't Wolf just move into the White House since he sees Obama as the new "MESSIAH" ???
If you want to see the what the Tea Party and 2/3rds of America is worried about...just look at the ...RIOTS IN LONDON AND OTHER ENGLISH CITIES AND TOWNS = a mob of mostly ethnic young men from 15-21 who feel that...GOVERNMENT HASN'T...."GIVEN"...THEM ENOUGH....SO THEY LOOT AND BURN.
America saw the same ethnic riots in 1965 in Watts and then after the Rodney King Trial when the verdict of a racially-mixed jury did not suit them.
TAX AND SPEND...TAX AND SPEND...TAX AND SPEND = that has been the .."MANTRA OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY SINCE THE 1960'S"....just look at what it has done to Los Angeles...to San Francisco....DO YOU EVEN RECOGNIZE THESE CITIES AS BEING ...."AMERICAN"...THEY LOOK MORE LIKE SOCIALIST CITY IN EUROPE.
Just look at the...BART DISRUPTIONS....that are going on right now......IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT FOR ...PHOENIX...CHANDLER...GILBERT...TEMPE...MESA.
Do you want these cities (all of Arizona as a matter of fact) to become another...OAKLAND ???.
Well unless we ....TAKE BACK OUR CITIES...OUR STATE...OUR NATION..from the....TAX AND SPEND.....PRO-AMNESTY....LIBERALS, SOCIALISTS, DEMOCRATS AND OTHERS (I'll let the reader figure that out).....AMERICA WILL BECOME ANOTHER....."EURO-SOCIALIST BANKRUPT NATION"...and Phoenix will look like another London.
40% OF EVERY DOLLAR BILL IN YOUR WALLET IS JUST PAPER...THERE IS NO GOLD OR GROSS NATIONAL PRODUCT IN IT'S VALUE..JUST WORTHLESS PAPER.....FOLKS, IT'S TIME TO ....TIGHTEN THE BELT.
mesateacher posted at 6:03 am on Tue, Aug 16, 2011.
Lady, you're a fool. If the Tea Party were liberal, ABC, NBC, CBS, the NYT, Newsweek, Time would be heralding them for their brilliance and willingness to improve things.
Now, just what has the Tea Party done that you think is so unpatriotic? How can a minority be so powerful? Well, I hope you're open minded enough and intelligent enough to understand that the TP may be our saviors: they have forced some reduction in government spending. Too bad the Democrats, Obama and their ilk have never figured out we need to cut gov't spending.