Richardson: SB 1070 ruling doesn't change fact AZ still a haven for criminal activity
Bill Richardson
Retired Mesa master police officer Bill Richardson lives in the East Valley and can be reached at bill.richardson@cox.net.
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KJDaVinci777 posted at 11:56 am on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Bill, you tell it like it is...USM Gonzalez is right on target. (Any chance that he could replace Arpaio after the FBI (sleepwalking) indicts the coward Arpaio?) FACT: the cartels love Joe A. - they know Joe does not have the guts to go after real criminals...FACT: THE CARTELS know that the other "macho" sheriff is in bed or on his knees with MEXICANS, thus no time to go after real criminals, unless you count the GHOST SHOOTERS 0F THE 3RD KIND...i remember talking to retired DEA/DPS from years back that targetted real criminals...I talked to a retired DEA agt that named people like Phil Morgan (Capt DPS Narcotics), Jack Cozad (Lt.?), Bill Rich.-I think they meant you and some guys named Durkin, Moody, Quinonez, Click, Debus, Jordan, Salazar, Parra, etal...Are those guys still around to teach the new kids on the block how to go after real criminals? FACT: SAME GUY TOLD ME Joe Macho Arpioa was a fraud and con artist in DEA and was allowed to retire in Ariz. to the detriment of real law enforcement and at the expense of Ariz-Taxpayers. Do you stay in touch with those guys? Keep on writing...and continue to educate Arizona...Will Gonzalez run against the BadmanJokester?
Engaged Voter posted at 12:45 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Oh Bill...
"Arizona’s anti-immigration law"
Arizona doesn't HAVE an "anti-immigration" law - it's an anti-illegal invader law.
Your dishonest bias has no place here.
"In all, there were over a quarter of a million serious felony crimes committed during 2010."
Bill, are you not retired LAW enforcement??
Here's a clue for you - human smuggling is ALSO a serious felony crime, and Arizona is the hotspot for it. Try to remember that before you put pen to paper.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:50 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
"For at least the last eight years, Arizona’s politically driven and myopic anti-crime focus has been on rounding up illegal aliens from kitchens and car washes while leaving the state ill prepared to deal with thousands of serious felony crimes and thousands of gang members."
Ah yes, dealing with illegal alien invaders takes away from dealing with felonies and GANG MEMBERS...what a JOKE!
Let's look at the four most active gangs in my area of the Valley:
La Raza Nation
Los Santos
Los Zetas
Los Primero Mexicanos
All of these criminal, felony-ridden gangs have something in common..
Bill, can you take a wild guess as to what that is? ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 1:56 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/cop_shop/article_2c0211d2-c225-11e1-a3bb-0019bb2963f4.html
*cough cough*
Bill, are you STILL going to pretend these are separate issues??
This happened TODAY!
billrichardson posted at 2:52 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Engaged Voter,
Can you provide me with the sources of your information on the four most active gangs in your area of the valley. I'd like to follow up on your info for a possible future column.
Thanks
Engaged Voter posted at 3:13 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Sources of information? I would understand the request had I cited details, statistics, numbers, and other minutae associated with the information.
But I did not.
Therefore, may I suggest Google and Wikipedia?
The information is there for all to see, but you have to make the effort.
Engaged Voter posted at 3:14 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
minutiae - pardon the typo!
Engaged Voter posted at 3:19 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
Okay, fine...here you go:
http://acjc.state.az.us/ACJC.Web/Pubs/Home/2009_Gang_Threat_Assessment_State_Report.pdf
And although I could not find any correlating data at this "source", only the myopically ignorant still believe that criminal gangs, whose gang name is in a foreign language, are made up of American citizens.
Engaged Voter posted at 3:23 pm on Fri, Jun 29, 2012.
You might notice that one of the main transgressions committed by gangs, according to that report, is HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
Please, do not pretend you don't know what this means.
Dale Whiting posted at 9:42 am on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
As I recall, some of those doing law enforcement focused on crimes against illegal aliens were fearing that SB1070 would require them to arrest the victims they needed to interview. Now that this portion of the Bill has survived, are we going to see law enforcement step away for investgating crimes against illegal aliens? Isn't some of the crime we see argued above focused on these people? Are we to just forget about them?
Leon, what say you? And remember this question. "What would Jesus have you do?"
Leon Ceniceros posted at 12:36 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
CRIME IN ARIZONA....YOU BET THERE IS.
LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE YEARS 2002-2010 AS REPORTED IN THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SERVICE (DPS) "CRIME IN ARIZONA" STATISTICS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARMENTS REPORT.
NOW STATISTICS DON'T LIE. THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICE AND THE PINAL COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICE ARE STATISTICALLY AS COMPETENT AS THE CITY OF MESA POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THE NUMBER OF VIOLENT CRIMES IS ANY INDICATOR. THE ILLEGAL ALIEN SWEEPS BY SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO AND THE DRUG INTERDICTION EFFORTS BY SHERIFF PAUL BABEU HAVE NOT MADE THE CITIZENS OF THESE TWO COUNTIES ANY MORE ENDANGERED THAN THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF MESA.
2010 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 1790, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 989, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 150.
2009 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2000, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 992, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 214.
2008 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2289, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 1018, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 198.
2007 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2224, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 989, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 290.
2006 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2084, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 850, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 298.
2005 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2280, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = NO REPORT, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 289.
2004 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2500, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 585, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 215.
2003 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2346, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 611, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 203.
2002 VIOLENT CRIMES:
MESA = 2887, MARICOPA SHERIFF OFFICE = 628, PINAL SHERIFF OFFICE = 742.
RAPES IN THE CITY OF MESA; 2010 = 124, 2009 = 123, 2008 = 161, 2007 = 175, 2006 = 203, 2005 = 194, 2004 = 124, 2003 = 116, 2002 = 129.
NOW STATISTICALLY, ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW THE RAPE STATISTICS FOR THE CITY OF MESA ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL...YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. NOW THE POPULATION BACK IN 2002 WAS CERTAINLY FAR, FAR LESS THAN IT IS TODAY IN 2010 BUT THE .......NUMBER OF RAPES IS ONLY A DIFFERENCE OF 5.....5 INCIDENTS.
SO........SB 1070 HAS BEEN SHOWN STATISTICALLY BY THE REPORTING CITIES AND COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICES TO..............HAVE NOT MADE A LICK OF DIFFERENCE IN CRIME OR IT'S SUPPRESSION.
OH....A QUESTION FOR THE COLUMNIST/RETIRED MASTER POLICE OFFICER........HOW MANY OF THE 1478 RAPES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE CITY OF MESA FROM 2002 UNTIL 2010............HAVE BEEN SOLVED, ADJUDICATED AND CLOSED ?
HOW MANY OF THESE RAPES THAT OCCURRED IN THE CITY OF MESA (2002-2010) HAVE NEVER BEEN SOLVED ???????
davidflucier posted at 12:41 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
Q.) What does SB 1070 got to do with human and drugs smuggling, or street and prison gangs?
A) Absolutely nothing...never did...never will
But what SB 1070 has done is misdirect needed public safety resources and turned our political attention to a piece of legislation that was never funded, never implemented, and certainly never even relevant to the problems at hand.
Even Joe Arpaio agrees and has been quoted over and over that with or without SB 1070, his job will not change one bit. So, for all those supporters of Joe, why the big deal over SB 1070?
Hello, McFly...it's a nothing piece of legislation when it comes to securing the border nor will it ever stop drug or human smuggling and it absolutely does nothing to address the problem of street and prison gangs.
The faster Arizona rids itself of extremist, fundamentalist and ideologues, the faster we'll solve the real problems with real solutions.
Arizona Willie posted at 10:15 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
Mr. flucier --- I find it very strange that some people keep claiming that SB 1070 doesn't do anything or change anything ec. etc. --- but yet they are yelling and screaming and filing lawsuits over legislation that they claim is worthless and has no effect.
mrconservative posted at 10:38 pm on Sat, Jun 30, 2012.
[offtopic]
Bill, I have a question that is 100% off-topic with ths particular column - How well did you know Gordy Gartner? He is the former police chief of Payson. I saw his name in one of your columns years ago. I don't remember wahat you said about him. His family and my family are old friends.
billrichardson posted at 6:01 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
We were partners at the DEA Task Force. You won't find a better cop, detective or law enforcement leader in Arizona. Send me an email and I'll dig out the old column and send it to you.
samkat posted at 6:04 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Bill: What is a Mexican-American? They are either Americans of Mexican (Hispanic) heritage or they are Mexican nationals. Of course we do have a fair number of native born Hispanics who seem to think they are Mexicans but they are they ones who really should emigrate if they lack patriotism for our great nation. These are the ones who think our immigration laws only apply to non Hispanics.
mrconservative posted at 9:01 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Bill, I tried to send you an e-mail, but it said that it was invalid. How can I send an e- mail if it won't work?
billrichardson posted at 5:58 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
bill.richardson@cox.net
Don't forget the dot between my first and last name.
mrconservative posted at 12:53 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
I actually did use that dot you specified. It still didn't work. I really don't know why. Got any ideas?
hillstreet posted at 1:56 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
"Therefore, may I suggest Google and Wikipedia? "
We've identified your problem.
billrichardson posted at 4:18 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
January 19, 2007
Arizona needs public safety information sharing system
Retired Mesa master police officer Bill Richardson lives in the East Valley and can be reached at bill.richardson@cox.net.
Crime is a business. Estimates are that worldwide drug trafficking alone is a $300 billion to $400 billion a year business. No telling what the estimate is when you include other types of crime such as illegal immigrant smuggling, fraud and plain old stealing.
Crime as a business has grown and become increasingly more efficient. While criminals, especially organized and career criminals, have become more sophisticated, often using the latest technology and the same principles of business taught in America’s best business schools, Arizona law enforcement has almost gone backwards.
The failure is obvious when you look at the rise in crime and police practices that only seem to spend money and waste resources instead of preventing crime and capturing criminals.
In some ways technology has escaped Arizona policing.
About 28 years ago, a guy was bringing in 10 pounds of PCP (aka angel dust) a month into the Valley from California. An informant told me that the source of this highly dangerous drug was a “Mexican named Perry who lived in Santa Ana who was about 5-6, 175 pounds, black hair and 25 years old.” That describes lots of people. I called the Santa Ana police narcotics squad hoping they might know him. They didn’t. But what the officer did with the information still impresses me. They ran the information through a countywide information sharing system. We didn’t have that in Arizona. California cops were able to identify the source of central Arizona’s PCP explosion.
Arizona still doesn’t have the ability to do what Santa Ana police did nearly 30 years ago when it comes to locating and identifying criminals based on the mutual sharing of information statewide, countywide or even citywide.
Even the records police do have, which must be accessed one department at a time, aren’t that great. According to retired Mesa Police Lt. John Blackburn, now the executive director of the Arizona Criminal Justice Commission, “Arizona’s criminal justice records on arrests and convictions are only 67 percent complete and accurate.” A 2004 study conducted by the National Institute of Justice told Arizonans the bad news about just how poorly the state’s collection of critical criminal justice information is in one of America’s fastest growing and most dangerous places to live.
There’s a 30 percent chance that someone — a child molester, rapist, a driver with multiple DUI arrests or even a murderer — could slip through the cracks in Arizona’s criminal justice system. And the crack is getting bigger. According to Mesa police records administrator Karen Wolf, arrested suspects routinely fail to appear for the court-ordered fingerprinting that is necessary to obtain and ensure positive identification. Police often have no idea about their past criminal activity.
The danger is not only to the citizens but also to first responders, including firefighters and police officers who have to depend on accurate information in public safety records systems for their own safety when responding to calls for help.
The problem is real and puts us all at risk. But a fix may be coming.
This morning, a meeting is being led by Sen. John Huppenthal, RChandler, at the Arizona Senate. Huppenthal has assembled a panel to hit the problem of information collection and sharing head on. Huppenthal, who is an information analyst and engineer by training, has teamed with a retired command cop, Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, and a veteran Mesa police officer, Sen. Chuck Gray, whose background includes high-tech sharing of business information.
Huppenthal has also called upon a first-class group of top cops with solid records of getting things done to advise him. Pearce and Gray know what they need to get the job done and take back the streets from Arizona’s technologically advanced, growing criminal element. The track records of Mesa Chief George Gascón, Buckeye Chief Dan Saban, Payson Chief Gordie Gartner and Arizona Department of Public Safety director and former Pinal County Sheriff Roger Vanderpool are enviable.
Also in this criminal justice think tank are retired Tempe Police Chief Ralph Tranter, Steve Balance from Arizona State University-West and ACJC director Blackburn, all highly respected and trusted criminal justice professionals with a history of putting you first.
It won’t happen overnight and it won’t be cheap. It’s just the price we have to pay to keep a child molester from being a teacher or a firefighter or cop from getting killed because the system failed.
BILL RICHARDSON COMMENTARY —
Engaged Voter posted at 4:33 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
"Estimates are that worldwide drug trafficking alone is a $300 billion to $400 billion a year business. No telling what the estimate is when you include other types of crime such as illegal immigrant smuggling, fraud and plain old stealing."
Yes, and none of these crimes are related to illegal aliens...*facepalm*
Then you go on to mention a "first-class group of top cops - which actually made me hopefull for the remainder of the comment...right up until you call the track record of Mesa Chief George Gascón "enviable".
Enviable to an illegal alien smuggling coyote, perhaps. Gascan almost single-handedly turn Mesa into an illegal alien "Sanctuary City", and should face prosecution for doing so.
Engaged Voter posted at 4:36 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
A "first-class group of top cops" should never, EVER include the names of those armed thugs who pick and choose which laws to enforce, and which to ignore.
And SHAME on an ex-law-enforcement officer for referring to those who pick and choose which laws to enforce as "top cops".
It certainly speaks volumes about the character of law enforcement here.
samkat posted at 7:38 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Hillstreet: I will say it again, I am an American. I do not claim to be anything else. My pedigree has nothing to do with how I portray myself. I will remind my Hispanic son-in-law and daughter-in-law that I should start being nicer to them. PS: My son-in-law and even his father do not speak a word of Spanish. they all consider themselves to be Americans. My daughter-in-law does speak Spanish and actually teaches it in high school but she has nothing but disdain for Hispanics who tout their so called Mexican heritage as a badge of honor.
samkat posted at 7:40 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
PS Hillstreet. It is usually those individuals with a burr under their saddle that throw out the race card.
mrconservative posted at 10:39 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Thanks for the article, Bill. I appreciate it.
mrconservative posted at 10:40 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
It's "Gordie" and not "Gordy"? That's interesting. . . .
mrconservative posted at 10:42 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Bill,
I've heard the story countless time - about how Gordie had to watch a bunch of horrible movies to solve the murder of that "Hogan's Heroes" star (at least, I thnk it was Hogan's Heroes). Did he have any luck with that?
KJDaVinci777 posted at 12:04 am on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
Mr/Mrs Engaged voter...Did you ever consider moving? That should cure your racist views against the color brown...Any Southern city would welcome you or big cities like Chicago, LA, Miami, NY,...no gangs or crime problem in those cities. PLEASE READ HILLSTREETS COMMENTS and learn something. I also think you would enjoy Washington or Atlanta...Permission to leave Arizona is granted - the sooner the better.
billrichardson posted at 10:41 am on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
mrconservative-
You're welcome.
That was the Bob Crane murder. If you Google Bob Crane, New Times, Paul Rubin you'll pull up a great story about the murder and the eventual and unsuccessful prosecution of one of Crane's good friends suspected of the murder. I pulled up some links and put them down below.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1993-04-21/news/the-bob-crane-murder-case-part-one/
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1993-04-28/news/the-bob-crane-murder-case-part-two/
Engaged Voter posted at 11:47 am on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
Mr/Mrs KJDaVinci777 - Please cite any racist comment that I'd made, here or any other forum. Failing that, grow a spine and admit you played the race card because that's all you have. Thanks so much,.
" PLEASE READ HILLSTREETS COMMENTS"
Oh, I have, hillstreet has admitted to being nothing but a "pick and choose" armed thug, not worthy to be called a law enforcement officer. REAL law enforcement works to enforce ALL the laws; it doesn't pick and choose which laws to enforce and which to completely ignore.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:00 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
How hilarious and ironic that KJDaVinci777 mentions LA, Chicago, and Miami:
LA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_street_gangs
"Mara Salvatrucha (commonly abbreviated as MS, Mara, and MS-13) is a transnational criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles and has spread to other parts of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Central America."
Chicago - http://www.uic.edu/orgs/kbc/maps/Gangstoday.html
Ten largest gangs in Chicago:
1. LATIN KINGS/QUEENS
2. VICE LORDS
3. BLAKK GANGSTER DISCIPLES
4. BLAKK PEACE STONES
5. 4 CORNER HUSTLERS
6. MIKKEY COBRAS
7. MANIAC LATIN DISCIPLES
8. LA RAZA
9. INSANE SATAN DISCIPLES
10. SPANISH GANGSTER DISCIPLES"
Miami - http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/11/miami-dade_has_the_7th_largest.php
"The report also highlights the growing threats of gangs operating in illegal immigration, Juggalos, Haitian gangs, and, we kid you not, gangs that operate in the Second Life virtual world."
Darn those pesky facts, it makes your false cries of racism even MORE absurd!
hillstreet posted at 1:04 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
"Oh, I have, hillstreet has admitted to being nothing but a "pick and choose" armed thug, not worthy to be called a law enforcement officer"
I so live for your approval. I won't be able to sleep tonight.
ps- Allow me to educate you, civilian. All cops exercise discretion as to when and where and how to enforce laws. You are just mad because most of us real cops are telling Brewer and Pierce to shove it and refusing to play border patrol.[beam] Get used to it, SB1070 changed....nothing.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:28 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
"Get used to it"
Oh, I have. Coming from a family of REAL law enforcement officers, we are quite familiar with your ilk. And unless you've been keeping your military background secret, you're also a civilian. And yes, I will allow you to educate me...but I won't hold my breathing waiting for it.
"SB1070 changed....nothing"
I agree 100%! REAL officers will continue to do their jobs and enforce the law to the best of their ability, and the ones like you...will continue to give good cops a bad name.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:31 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
"most of us real cops are telling Brewer and Pierce to shove it and refusing to play border patrol."
Wait...you work on the border? Or do you need to be educated on where the actual border is?
What you are doing is refusing to DO YOUR JOB. Either start taking your responsibilities seriously, or move out of the way for an officer who is.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:34 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
Back to the original subject - to pretend that the illegal alien issue is unrelated to other criminal activity (gangs, identify theft, kidnapping, rape, murder, etc.) is willfull ignorance at best...and criminal (especially when coming from a representative of law enforcement) at worst.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:45 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
"refusing to play border patrol"
Missed this the first time around.
Notice that hillstreet considers Border Patrol a GAME.
That alone speaks volumes about his character (or lack thereof).
Engaged Voter posted at 2:06 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
Wow, missed this gem the last time:
"refusing to play border patrol"
Play Border Patrol? PLAY??
Law enforcement is NOT a game. Anyone in law enforcement who thinks it's just a game to play needs to find another line of work.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 6:55 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
Still waiting for some one to tell me how many of the 1478 rapes that have occurred in the City of Mesa..........have been solved ???
Should be that hard to go back and find that information. Certain people are always throwing dirt (and worse) on the reputations of the DPS....and other East Valley Cities...so let's see how the City of Mesa Police Department fares in the solving of rape cases.
1478 Rapes = Solved = ????
1478 Rapes = Unsolved = ????
Let's see the numbers.
Engaged Voter posted at 9:19 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/cop_shop/article_cf213be4-c569-11e1-99e8-0019bb2963f4.html
Darn those pesky facts! LOL
Gilbert Watch posted at 3:31 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
I have a question for whomever can answer it. I live in Gilbert and recently requested and received some statistics from the Police Department. I discovered that in 2010, there were 9424 arrests of those legally in the US., and 248 arrests of those not in the US legally. In 2011, there were 7645 arrests of those legally in the US, and 247 arrests of those not in the US legally. Seems odd the # of arrests went down, yet Gilbert remains a very safe Town.
The number of illegals seemed extremely low for our population of around 208,000. Do other police departments have this kind of information available? For example, Mesa? Tempe? Thanks.
billrichardson posted at 7:59 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
Gilbert Watch,
The general rule is the number of illegal aliens arrested in a community is the same percentage as their presence in a community. It has never appeared to me that Gilbert has a large illegal alien population.
Gilbert Watch posted at 9:01 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
Thanks Bill. That's my impression as well. Do you have any idea why Gilbert has such a low # of illegals? Maybe that's not a fair question. There are too many variables to factor? We are a much newer community, etc, etc.
Another comment. You indicated that the prison population is overwhelmingly white. Wouldn't that be expected? Our Arizona population is 73% white as of the 2010 census. So, 39.3% whites in prison seems comparatively low. Your figures indicate that there are 28.8% Mexican/Americans in prison, plus another 12% are Mexican Nationals. Census data show 29.6% "Hispanic or Latino." I don't know if illegals are included. They would have had to answer census questions.... Some of them might have....some not. Still, if you add both Mexican/Americans and Mexican Nationals in prison, it equals 41.6%. This is disproportionately much higher than the census indicates.
Blacks total 4.1% per the census, but 13.3% in prison. Only American Indians do their level best to match the census percentage. They have 4.9% in prison and make up 4.6% of Arizona's population.
Just some observations.
KJDaVinci777 posted at 12:37 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
MsUnEngaged voter: Thanks for making my case re big city gangs...I was being sarcastic when I told you to move the the listed cities, due to the sarcastic fact that those cities do not have gangs...I do not have to "google" to know that. Re: your racist comments - just read your comments. And keep reading Hillsreet...I think he is making progress in educating you. ALSO:... CITY AND COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT should not waste valuable time playing Border Patrol seek and find ...There is enough crime for police officers to focus on...Unless you want to be like King Evil Arpaio who has NO clue in targetting real criminals...Broken tailights and scamming the public IS NOT conducting enforcement operations...Even his wife is out begging for more contributions for their multimillion retirement fund---hopfully an early Nov. retirement...Any person that votes for the unindicted criminal(Corrupto Jose) should seek mental therapy...
Engaged Voter posted at 7:22 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"playing Border Patrol"
Another idiot who thinks law enforcement is a GAME.
Why DOES your ilk keep trying to imply I support Arpaio? Is your position so weak that you have to resort to falsehoods and lies? If not, why keep doing it?
"Re: your racist comments - just read your comments."
Couldn't find even one example, eh? That's because there AREN'T ANY.
Now grow a spine, man up, and apologize for your filthy lie.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:38 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"Thanks for making my case re big city gangs"
Making YOUR case? I provided evidence that linked gang activity to illegal aliens.
If that was your case, why are you arguing with me and playing the (false) race card?
billrichardson posted at 9:43 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
My guess is that Gilbert isn't attractive due to a lack of jobs and cheap housing like in other cities.
As far as the numbers go with ethnicity and crime, there's plenty that goes into it. I got the numbers I used from the AZDOC website.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:54 pm on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/cop_shop/article_6b64a55c-c792-11e1-a41a-001a4bcf887a.html
Illegal aliens here in Mesa congregate at a restaurant called Restaurant Sinaloa (no I am not making that up, that is the name of the restaurant).
Are you STILL going to try and claim there's no link between this crime and illegal aliens? Even though the evidence keeps piling up showing a very STRONG link??
Engaged Voter posted at 11:33 pm on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.
http://eastvalleytribune.com/local/cop_shop/article_8b035a00-c942-11e1-be5c-0019bb2963f4.html
"As U.S. authorities have tightened land crossings, tunnels have become a popular way for Mexico's cartels to smuggle drugs and people into the U.S."
And it just keeps getting better...
Jesus Christo de Nogales posted at 9:48 am on Mon, Jul 16, 2012.
Gustavo Arellano, Steve Gallardo, Nicky Diaz Santillan, and La Raza and all of us brown skin Mexicans presently occupying "El Norte", need to return to Mexico and help set up a population control program to help us stop having so many babies that we can't take care of them. It is disgraceful that we have to export our own brown skin people because we can't afford them here in Mexico. We can do this. Will you join us and Gustavo Arellano?
Engaged Voter posted at 11:42 am on Tue, Jul 17, 2012.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/cop_shop/article_112ec184-ced2-11e1-9c40-001a4bcf887a.html
Yep, AZ sure is a haven for criminal activity.
Bill, here is an innocent woman who would be ALIVE if we secured our borders and stopped picking and choosing which laws to enforce and which to ignore.
How many more American citizens have to die before you pull the wool from your eyes?
DavidNichols posted at 11:41 am on Thu, Aug 9, 2012.
Bill wouldn't it be nice if we went after "Real Criminals" in this "Haven for Crime"?
Not Good, Hard Working un-documented Parents of our own Legal Citizen Children?
For the Record:
January 2008 was the start of the E-verify Law, the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs, and of course "The Great Recession", and our new National Deficit.
Fact is, for every good, hard working un-documented Immigrant Deported since January 2008 America has lost over Four Times as many Jobs.
Fact is: The Hard Labor Immigrants gladly did for America was the very Foundation of our once Strong Economy, and this Hard Labor actually supported all other American jobs.
Since this Anti-Immigrant Rant began in January 2008 Maricopa County now has about a Half Million Vacated Homes.
Our Economy has crashed, this is what caused the "Foreclosure Crisis", caused Construction, and Growth to Halt, cost millions of Americans their Jobs, left our State with approx: twenty percent Excess Government Services, and a matching Budget Deficit.
Our Governor has fired Teachers, raised Taxes, gutted Social Programs, and is currently closing State Parks.
It sure would have been nice to have gone after Criminals, rather than attacking Good Hard working "Human Beings" who don't commit crimes?
"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."
Alex De Tocqueville
Ripping apart Good Christian Families, and Deporting Parents from their legal Citizen Children/Families is not good.
Millions of these Good, Hard working un-documented Immigrants were here for twenty-five years prior to January 2008 which was "The Most Prosperous Period in Total U.S. History!
This is our I.C.E.'d Economy.
To: Good, and Brotherhood.
DavidNichols posted at 11:52 am on Thu, Aug 9, 2012.
Engaged Voter, Criminals are the People who actually Commit Crimes.
We Americans should not group Millions of Good Non-Criminal People as all one.
We must be able to distinguis Good, From Bad.
Each Individual must be Judged for only their Crimes!
Jan Brewer Defraude4d Social Security for $75,000.00 to reward her Knife Point Rapist Son Ron, as he served out his sentence.
Russell Pearce, His Brother, Two Neices, and the wonderful Mrs. Cortez engaged in a Class Five Felony Electoral Rigging, and Manipulating Scheme in Pearces Recall Election.
We truly should stop "Picking, and choosing which Laws we are to Enforce"!
To: Hypocrites?
Masterrogue666 posted at 8:15 pm on Thu, Aug 9, 2012.
Apples and Oranges Bill. IMHO, it's an easier thing to find out if a person is an ILLEGAL ALIEN (or INVADING FOREIGN NATIONAL) than solving other crimes that you mentioned. Considering your experience, I wonder why you didn't mention it.
Both situations do need improvement, however.