Apparently, someone told the Arizona Legislators that we needed more government control in our workplace. They have created a bill calling for a bigger government and a policy that interferes in free business. Even though I support the principles behind HB 2625 I cannot support the manner in which our legislators propose the law is to be enacted. There are many roads that lead to our values; the road proposed by this bill, presents a hindrance to both our economy and our health. We need smaller government, less government interference in our businesses, and we certainly don’t need more Obamacare. I intend to contact my legislator and tell them to vote against HB 2625, and would encourage all who believe in family values and support American enterprise to do the same.
Jay Loya
Phoenix
Leon Ceniceros posted at 1:05 pm on Thu, Mar 22, 2012.
HB 2625 allows company owners who's religious beliefs do not condon the murdering of human fetuses.
Why should the company be forced to pay for sexual enhancement pills, dildoes, vibrators or female/male contraception pills, diaphrams or uterine insersts.
Show me where in the Bill of Rights or the US Constitution that a "woman's reproductive rights" are mentioned.
truth posted at 3:35 pm on Thu, Mar 22, 2012.
We don't need Obamacare, I would love to hear one intelligent solution to what the U.S. needs besides Obamacare. Fact in 2007 the United States was rated at $7500.00 per year per person for health care. The rest of the industrialized nations were rated at $2500.00 per person per year. In 2009, the U.S. spent $7960.00 per person on health care compared with $4808.00 in Canada and $3978.00 in France. That disparity is mostly due to the fact that in countries like Canada the government sets prices for everything from Doctors visits and to heart bypasses. In the United States providers charge "what they can get away with", and surprise, they set prices high knowing that paitents will not say no to life saving treatment. That control has assured the pharmaceutical and medical-device industries profits margin of 20% making them more lucrative than the financial sector EZRA KLEIN the Washington Post.
Facts, The U.S. world rating for health care 37th in the world, infant mortality rating 33 in the world, life expectancy 42nd in the world. For the one liners, we don't need Obamacare, please give an example of what will work, for the Morons stick your head in your hole as usual.[sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad]
Slabside posted at 4:17 pm on Thu, Mar 22, 2012.
Hey Moron Truth, where is the money for Obamacare (which is reported to be double the cost now from its first conception), going to come from?
You're such an idiot.
DemocraticDad posted at 5:45 pm on Thu, Mar 22, 2012.
Leon wrote:
"HB 2625 allows company owners who's religious beliefs do not condon the murdering of human fetuses. Why should the company be forced to pay...?"
Two questions for you Leon:
1)What about company owners who are Seventh Day Adventists or Jehovah's Witnesses whose religious beliefs do not condone blood transfusions. Why should they be forced to pay for them?
2)What about company owners who are Scientologists whose religious beliefs do not condone psychotherapy or the use of psychotropic medications. Why should they be forced to pay for them.
Dale Whiting posted at 6:06 pm on Thu, Mar 22, 2012.
Truth,
Try talking to those who live in Junction Colorado. By default, they have had affordable healthcare for years.
As for choice by the religious right, understand that under the rules now put into place, it will be the healthcare insurance company that will "choose" to support contraception, not the religion paying for such services. And the insurance companies are over joyed. For it is cheaper in the long run to cover contraception than to not cover it. In the long run, premiums will not be changed.
Now if a religion wants to dictate to its employees what medical services the religion would have them choose, that is interference with the woman's right of privacy in making medical decision, placing employer into the doctor patient relationship. And that's wrong!
Rich posted at 6:17 pm on Thu, Mar 22, 2012.
" I would love to hear one intelligent solution to what the U.S. needs besides Obamacare."
Okay, eliminate private for profit insurance, except as an individual transaction between the insurance company and an individual, and include the right to say 'I don't need it.' Make it illegal for an insurance company to deal, in any way shape or form with a medical professional or in any way interpose anything into a doctor patient relationship. Don't allow a 'group pool' to escalate costs, make both medical and insurance professionals subject to free market forces and make them deal with individuals, not groups.
We pay more than anyone, we get less than most. It's a game, a con game, what the receptionist used to do with a pegboard system is now sixteen medical coding and billing jobs. If you count all the costs involved, insurance is about 75% of the bill. Eliminate that con job, everything can probably be managed, and we will all live longer. Adding a governmental bureaucracy to it is just mindlessly stupid.
VofReason posted at 1:47 pm on Fri, Mar 23, 2012.
Truth- freemarket sale of Health Insurance across state lines? Less government involvement in Healthcare? Or wait, Government makes everything work more efficiently and cost less- right? I mean look at the Post Office right?
truth posted at 3:42 pm on Fri, Mar 23, 2012.
It's to bad the morons can't read or understand the written language, some of what you say is good, but you eigther don't retain the total concept or the logistics, Try rereading what i said with total comprehension. I know morons don't have that ability. One more little fact, scorpion antivenom cost $50 in Mexico for decades, in the U.S. it cost $1.500.00. Another practice that would work, if you don't pay for your own health care you are placed on a no service list that every emergency room will have acess to and be denied any service for any reason but cash in hand. I am sick and tired of paying for free loaders, when I pay for others health care and car insurance I have to pay extra for no insured, under insured and carry a umbrella policy, enought is enought.Their are other places to gather informathion other than FOX NEWS AND RUSH LIMBAUGH, search outside your box. Will the first moron debate the FACTS THAT FOURTY COUNTRIES WITH A HIGHER STANDARD OF HEALTH CARE WITH LOWER COST THAN THE U.S. health care system I think not. Obamacare is not where I would like it to be but is heading in the right direction. You have all earned the MORON prize for the day.[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]
Rich posted at 4:04 pm on Fri, Mar 23, 2012.
"FACTS THAT FOURTY COUNTRIES WITH A HIGHER STANDARD OF HEALTH CARE WITH LOWER COST THAN THE U.S. health care system..."
That is forty?, I thought it was thirty-four? Everyone has a different number here. Then, of course, you can separate the insurance industry from the healthcare industry and it's only ten, but then you separate out the costs of insurance to healthcare out of healthcare and put it in the insurance category and we have one of the cheapest healthcare systems in the world, albeit the most expensive insurance. You can make numbers say whatever you want them to say. The fact is the crisis isn't in healthcare, it's in insurance. It's in the fact that you allowed the insurance companies to collect all the cream off the top and now there isn't enough milk to go around, so the politicos pull their little misdirection and you actually think healthcare, medicine is the problem, so you buy mandatory insurance as healthcare reform. Now that my friend is what is moronic.
truth posted at 4:48 pm on Fri, Mar 23, 2012.
Some can't understand the facts, no need to say more.
Rich posted at 5:38 pm on Fri, Mar 23, 2012.
"truth" 'facts' both are manufactured products. I didn't buy. Understand? Oh yes, they are sales tools and are generally used in con jobs. After the fact of the sale, only a few of the dullest of us believe either.
samkat posted at 5:44 pm on Fri, Mar 23, 2012.
What we need to do is to pull the non profit status and government funds these companies and religious organizations who object. Why should they profit from denying their employees benefits?
Leon: I think you might be spending too much time in the adult book stores. :-)
Dale Whiting posted at 8:38 am on Sat, Mar 24, 2012.
Wow, I now hear that those most familiar with the SCOTUS predict that the AHCA will be declared constitutional. Seems that recently Kennedy and Scalia have leaned towards extending the Commerce Clause reversing themselves from prior trends, that were 16% of US GDP is healthcare related, and that where Roberts wants a more unified court, we could see a 6 to 3 or even 7 to 2 decision. What'ya want to bet Roberts writes the majority opinion upholding the law?
So those of you who are depending upon the SCOTUS to but an end to the AHCA, better start to look elsewhere. When I studied Constitutional Law 20 years ago, there was no way AHCA would pass muster!