It’s hard to figure out Mitt Romney.
He advocates a violent response to the latest incident in Libya, forsaking diplomacy and wanting to go to war over religious slights or perceived slights. Yet, he sat out the Vietnam War as minister of religion to France. His marvelous conversion from weenie to fire-eater seems to have happened right after the shooting stopped in Vietnam.
Neil Thex
Mesa
chatmandu002 posted at 10:57 am on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
Neil,
Your attempt to label Mitt Romney as a fire breathing dragon for war isn't backed up with the evidence. I have not seen any call for war from Romney, I think you are watching too much BSNBC and feeding off of their liberal/progressive pro-Obama coolaide. You would seem to prefer the bowing to and placating the radical elements of Islam with the obvious and predictable results as opposed to a stronger stance against such radicals. Where is your indignation and rage at our present administration being caught with their pants down and our citizens killed. Instead you cry that Romney is the bad guy in this scenario because he has questioned and called the president and his administration on their response to these attacks.
onerebel posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
I don't advocate war to solve problems, but it should be very apparent that there is no talking with certain groups around the world. Be it good or bad President Obama has been far quicker to pull the trigger on certain people and countries around the world then I would have guessed. This philosophy of appeasement is going to get our country destroyed!
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
Winston Churchill
Leon Ceniceros posted at 12:56 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
Well, America has two choices as I see it.
1. A 100% American Mormon who took Draft Deferrments (like most White, upper-Class Young men of the time who were going to College).
or
2. A 50% American who says that the Islamic "Call to Prayer" are the most beautiful words he has ever heard. Who's wife, Michelle Obama, stood up before hundreds and hundreds of Democrats and said she was "ashamed to be an American for most of her adult Life". Barack Hussein Obama and his wife attended a Black Revolutionary Theology Church in South Chicago for..."20 YEARS"...listening to hundreds of..."anti-White, anti-American" sermons from his "mentor", the Reverend Jeremiah Wright (see his sermons on YouTube for yourselves). As President, Obama, has bowed from the waist to the Emperor of Japan (I guess Obama never learned anything about...."PEARL HARBOR" and the atrocities of the Imperial Japanese Army during the ..."BATAAN DEATH MARCH" where American soldiers were starved and went without water for a week, were bayonneted in the stomach and left to die screaming in agony, were sodomized by Japanese soldiers, and beheaded by Samuri swords) and then on another overseas trip as President of the United States.....OBAMA BOWED FROM THE WAIST IN HALF TO THE KING OF SAUDI ARABIA (the Guardian of the Two Sacred Mosques of Islam).
I THINK THAT I WOULD VOTE FOR ......MITT ROMNEY....ANY DAY OF THE WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAYS....LOL (oh that's right, I wasn't registered by Obama's friends at.....A.C.O.R.N.).
WITH OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE (2 DAYS A WEEK, THURSDAY AND FRIDAY......MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDNESDAY....HE IS FLYING AROUND AMERICA ON AIR FORCE ONE (costing the American Tax-Payer = $180,000.00 an hour by the way)....SATURDAYS, OBAMA PLAYS GOLF WITH HIS RICH, "FAT-CAT"... DEMOCRAT CONTRIBUTERS...AND SUNDAY IT'S TIME WITH THE WIFE, HER MOTHER AND THE KIDS.
I DON'T WANT A 50% AMERICAN PRESIDENT DOING A ......"10% JOB" AS PRESIDENT WHILE ......TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS PILE ON TO AMERICA'S DEBT.
I WANT A 100% AMERICAN PRESIDENT....DOING A 100% JOB AS PRESIDENT...NOT BOWING DOWN TO ANY FOREIGN OR MUSLIM POTENTATE.
I WANT A 100% AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO WILL ........."MAKE OUR ALLIES TRUST US AGAIN AND OUR ENEMIES FEAR US AGAIN".
IS THAT ASKING TOO MUCH TO ASK ???????
Arizona Willie posted at 1:48 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
EVT editors --- would you please get a forum system that lets us give thumbs up and thumbs down on comments?
Please.
sockratties posted at 1:54 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
lil' leon
so we know why you don't vote for Obama. why won't you answer the questions I asked you when you were dumping the same load of trash in your "another Carter in the Whitehouse" letter? don't have a clue do ya? what will mitsy do to solve our problems?
Leon Ceniceros posted at 3:37 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
When I see some real names instead of Libs hiding behind cutsey ....."NIC-NAMES" AND AVATARS.
JUST SOME OLD-FASHIONED ...."INTESTINAL FORTITUDE"....or to be coarser some..........."GUTS".
ARE YOU MEN OR MICE.... (MAYBE THAT'S THE ANSWER.....AND IT'S BEEN STARING ME IN THE FACE ALL THIS TIME.....LOL).....LET'S SEE SOME CHRISTIAN NAMES AND SOME LAST NAMES FROM THE LIBS.....[wink]
sockratties posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
you don't get to make the rules, leon... just excuses.
My Take posted at 8:11 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
Romney has nerve talking of war, at a time where our country is exhausted and fed up with what has become of Afghanistan and especially with Iraq. Romney is taking a page out of Bush’s playbook and is beating the war drum once again. No surprise considering Romney’s foreign policy advisors worked under “W”. They have no credibility as far as I am concerned and should bury their heads in shame. Romney is trying to come off as a tough guy and is looking silly doing it. Any crackpot can launch a war! A real leader waits for facts and uses solid diplomacy like Obama. Romney comes off as desperate, reckless and careless. Easy for him to call for war…he won’t be the one who has to carry it out.
My Take posted at 9:07 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
To Leon. Judging by your post you are obviously a man who has a lot of bigotry and hate running through your veins. You demonize just about anyyone who isn't so called white. Just for the record, we did drop two atomic bombs during WWII...not on a base but deliberately on civilians. That is nothing to be proud of and we should do everything in our power to avoid this kind of action. To argue that point would mean you have a comfort with it which I would find troubling. Also your assessment of the Obama's is completely inaccurate. Michele never said she was ashamed to be an American. She said I have never been more proud, there is your difference. A black man as President is a tremendous triumph for Black citizens, and all this hate mongering against them now only justifies her point! Funny how you take offense at everything they say and do but then are so comfortable with your bigotry for them. Seems like a double standard to me.
Arizona Willie posted at 9:44 pm on Sun, Sep 16, 2012.
My Take, in war " civilians " are a part of the war effort too. They make the bombs and bullets the enemy fires at our soldiers.
There is no such thing as " civilians " during war.
We dropped the bombs on Japan because it would not surrender and they believed they were led by their Emperor who was a living god.
If we had not dropped the nukies our next and only move would have been to fire bomb Japan and that would have resulted in MILLIONS of dead instead of tens of thousands.
Japanese buildings would have burned like gunpowder.
You can be assured that Japan would have used nuclear weapons on us if they could have.
There is no need to look back with 20 - 20 hindsight and feel guilty about our actions.
wdgnas posted at 6:29 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
arizona willie: My Take, in war " civilians " are a part of the war effort too. They make the bombs and bullets the enemy fires at our soldiers.
There is no such thing as " civilians " during war.
i disagree. the bombs and bullets are manufactured by corporations for profit. the u.s., russia and china are the three biggest suppliers of weapons. not necessarily in that order. had you said i.e.d's i might agree with you but not bombs and bullets. civilians are not part of the war effort.
wdgnas posted at 6:50 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
you just don't go around killing people and expect to remain popular, adolf.
killerbee posted at 7:50 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
"When I see some real names instead of Libs hiding behind cutsey ....."NIC-NAMES" AND AVATARS.
JUST SOME OLD-FASHIONED ...."INTESTINAL FORTITUDE"....or to be coarser some..........."GUTS".
Leon,
Lots of folks have used their real names and addresses and that has caused a lot of problems for them. Some people who frequent forums like this and others will make your life miserable with spam and unwanted phone calls and name calling.
Most folks will not risk it.
mrconservative posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
Neil, first of all, Mitt Romney went to Spain, not France.
Secondly, he chose to go on a mission. Aren't you liberals all about choice? Or does that apply only to murder, via abortion?
mrconservative posted at 9:30 am on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
Good idea, Willie. Then I can give you and Enraged Voter all the Thumbs down that I want.
You gotta love America! [wink]
VofReason posted at 1:09 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
How is that Arab Spring we heard so much about working?
Arizona Willie posted at 3:12 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
wdgnas .. in America the bombs and bullets are made by corporations. Not necessarily true in other countries where the plant may well be government owned ... not private industry.
And the workers who make the bombs and bullets and aircraft are civilians.
NO SUCH THING AS A CIVILIAN DURING WAR.
Accuracy posted at 4:09 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
Arizona Willie request: “EVT editors --- would you please get a forum system that lets us give thumbs up and thumbs down on comments?”
Arizona Willie…. Go to azcentral.com (Arizona News and Opinion) where you can post your opinions and comments . . . And at the same time, you can also have your thumbs up and thumbs down forum system for all the other comments posted on azcentral.com.
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/
bobunf posted at 11:27 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
Mr. Conservative, what is your source for your assertion that Mitt Romney went on a Mormon mission to Spain, not France. Just about everyone else in the world says Mitt Romney went on a 30 month mission to France beginning in 1966.
Here are some sources for this information:
Swidey, Neil; Paulson, Michael (June 24, 2007). "The Making of Mitt Romney: Part 1: Privilege, tragedy, and a young leader," The Boston Globe.
"Mitt Romney: the beginning," Deseret Morning News, July 1, 2007
“Man on a mission: Mitt Romney in France,” The Washington Post, May 13, 2012
“Mitt Romney Central,” this is a Romney campaign site, online at http://mittromneycentral.com/mitt-romney-biography/
Romney and everybody else agree that he went on a Mormon mission to France in 1966. Do you have some source that indicates that he and many others are somehow lying this? Is that the same source that assets that Obama was born in Kenya?
bobunf posted at 11:37 pm on Mon, Sep 17, 2012.
The US has had five significant wars in the last 55 years. At least two of them were horrible mistakes that cost millions of lives, including the lives of over 50,000 young Americans, and the lives of many thousands of our allies. Hundreds of thousands of Americans were permanently injured in many ways be these useless ways.
I would want a President who would be very, very careful about committing any Americans to fighting in foreign countries. Roosevelt's advice to "speak softly and carry a big stick" seems very apt. And, one might ad, "Look before you leap."
wdgnas posted at 5:55 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
arizona willie: spin it however you want to if it makes you happier. children do not work in factories in the u.s. to build bombs and bullets. my mother worked at what would be offutt airforce base near omaha nebraska during ww2 on B 24 liberators.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:26 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
Accuracy, I'm trying to wean myself off of az.central.com.
I spend too much time playing with forums anyway, might as well eliminate one they want you to pay for.
And, you can't edit your mistakes there easily either. Antiquated forum software on all media in Arizona it seems.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:39 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
wdjnas said " arizona willie: spin it however you want to if it makes you happier. children do not work in factories in the u.s. to build bombs and bullets. my mother worked at what would be offutt airforce base near omaha nebraska during ww2 on B 24 liberators. "
I didn't say children worked in munitions factories in the U.S.
And, your statement that your mother worked building airplanes during WW II supports my statement that there are no civilians during war. I said civilians make the weapons of war, bombs and ammunition and planes and guns and you just verified that by the statement that your mother did exactly what I claimed " civilians " do.
Since war cannot be waged without the weapons of war, and " civilians " make those weapons, then civilians participate, in their own way, in the war effort.
During WWI and WW II no one ever thought of NOT bombing factories because " civilians " were working in them.
Only in the last 20 years or so have the bleeding hearts decided that we somehow have to seperate out " civilians " from " military ", which is basically impossible. Especially in the type of conflicts we have been engaged in for the last 15 years or so.
The people waging war on us are not " officially " part of any government. Mostly, they are members of violent religious sects and, by definition, they are ALL " civilians " because they do not wear uniforms and are not part of a government military.
The " enemy " in Iraq and Afghanistan wear civilian clothes. They will be working in their store or at home doing domestic things and go out and plant an IED and go back home and say " who me? " when the thing goes off.
They will run out and shoot an RPG at a convoy and run back into their houses and be watching tv all innocent.
Just " civilians ".
My Take posted at 10:09 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
Where does it state that there are no civilians in war? Ever hear of war crimes? For the record the bombs that were dropped were not to target bomb making factories...they were deliberately dropped on civilian cities to kill moral and force Japan to surrender. Regardless whether you believe this was justified it still was a horrible action and is a form of genocide. It is an action that by no stretch of the imagination be celebrated.
Fast forward to today where it is not government versus government where everyone fighting wears the same thing. The answer isn't kill everyone that is just barbarism. We need precision fighting, infiltration, police work, investigation to get the true bad guys. The entire nation shouldn't have to suffer because of a select group of extremists, that is just plain idiotic. You don't build relations that way.
In Regards to Romney, it was France not Spain.
Accuracy posted at 11:10 am on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
Neil Thex”s Letter: “‘Romney quick to war’. He advocates a violent response to the latest incident in Libya, forsaking diplomacy and wanting to go to war over religious slights or perceived slights.”
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As for the recent Islamist terrorist group attack in Libya, Mitt Romney’s reaction was/is to clearly assess these things in the Middle-East region.
Embassies remain on high alert as the anti-American protests continue in at least eight countries.
GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan did say “it's time to rethink the money the United States sends to these countries”.
Meanwhile, President Barack Hussein Obama is still apologizing for the anti-Islam film "Innocence of Muslims" produced in the United Sates that's surfaced. Sheik Hassan Nasrallah is now claiming that the film mocks the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
sockratties posted at 12:08 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
Do you want to vote for a president that will lie to you right of the mark and continue to lie for the whole campaign? If so, vote Romney… for example, read the following report from the Washington Post.
Of course there will be those that say the WP is bias and discount it out of turn. Still the Post fact checker, after researching hundreds of Romney campaign claims found them to be unfounded and awarded Romney a score of four Pinocchios.
“Romney likes to say that President Obama apologized overseas for the United States. He even titled his campaign book “No Apology.”
Even more, Romney suggests, Obama does not believe in American strength and greatness. The assertion feeds into a subterranean narrative that Obama, with his exotic, mixed-race background, is not really American in the first place.
The claim that Obama apologizes for the nation began to take shape shortly after he became president. It had been bubbling in the conservative blogs before Karl Rove, who was George W. Bush’s political adviser, had an article titled “The President’s Apology Tour” published in the Wall Street Journal on April 23, 2009, just three months after Obama took the oath of office. By June, the conservative Heritage Foundation began running a list: “Barack Obama’s Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower.”
Most of the criticism stems from a series of speeches Obama made shortly after entering the White House, when he was trying to introduce himself to the world and also signify a distancing from the Bush administration through new policies, such as pledging to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. This is typical of many new presidents. Bush, for instance, quickly broke with Clinton's policy on dealings with North Korea, the Kyoto climate change treaty and the international criminal court, to name a few.
In a lengthy article on the Fact Checker blog, we tracked down every statement Obama uttered that partisans claim was an apology, and concluded that each one had been misquoted or taken out of context.
Romney often cites a statement Obama made in April 2009 as evidence that he does not believe in American exceptionalism: When asked by a British reporter whether he thought the United States was uniquely qualified to lead the world, Obama answered: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.” As Romney put it in his book, this “is another way of saying he doesn’t believe it all.” But Obama was just getting warmed up. His next sentence was: “I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world. If you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability. And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional.”
Take it from us: The apology tour never happened.”
bubba posted at 12:32 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
mrconservative.......Romney "chose to go on a mission" ,and he succeeded. His "mission" was to stay out of a war he supported by carrying signs, but refused to carry a rifle. Romney, Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld all had an exit strategy for Viet Nam, but only for themselves. The actual fighting and dying is meant for the "you people".
My Take posted at 12:35 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
To Accuracy: As of yesterday there is still an ongoing investigation into the attack on the Embassy. So far we still don't know if this was pre-planned or that the people behind this attack just took advantage of the situation. I can only imagine where your getting your information from.
Romney is so obsessed with trying to out do Obama on foreign policy that he comes out with this knee jerk reaction before all the facts came in looking like a fool and unpresidential. There has been one attack the rest are protests, so get your story straight.
The President has said all the right things. He has said several times that justice will be done. I don't hear any apologizing from the President, that is all right wing spin.
What you cannot ignore is these are people who have been insulted by some moronic video, insulting and denegrating the Prophet Muhammad. Sure you don't care thats obvious, but they do. Look at the "Tea Baggers" who ever since Obama won the election are going nuts. Yelling and screaming at town halls, calling him a radical Muslim even though he is a Christian, the dumb birther hysteria and bringing guns to rallys. That is my short list. The Muslim community have more to yell and scream about than these Tea Baggers.
They have seen and heard all this anit-Muslim rhetoric coming from our country and this stupid video, which should be condemned was the factor that pushed them over the edge. Because we have free speech doesn't mean we aren't accountable for what we say. Expect people to react! Republicans call out Obama for everything that comes out of his mouth and holds his feet to the fire, but when he calls out the people who made this video, you come down on him...once again. Judging by your post I believe you agree with what was said in the video, and now your using these protests as an excuse to justify your hate for Muslims.
VofReason posted at 12:46 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
Wait didn't a bunch of crazy nuts attach our Diplomats? Or are we of the mind that some yet to be released minor movie on the internet gave the crazies a valid reason to do so?
Bingo6 posted at 3:42 pm on Tue, Sep 18, 2012.
Once again EVT keeps allowing their token racist Leon free reign, I'm surprised. he doesn't translate his vile into Arabic to see how much violence and blood he can spill.
He kind of reminds me of Romney 's foreign policy team.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 1:40 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
LOL.........at least Mitt Romney has a "foreign policy team"...........instead of an Obama "apology team".
EVEN JIMMY "GUTLESS-WONDER" CARTER.......DIDN'T GO AROUND THE WORLD SINGING........."WE'RE SORRY....SO SORRY...IF AMERICA HAS DONE YOU WRONG"..............[wink]
wdgnas posted at 6:55 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
arizona willie:
wdjnas said " arizona willie: spin it however you want to if it makes you happier. children do not work in factories in the u.s. to build bombs and bullets. my mother worked at what would be offutt airforce base near omaha nebraska during ww2 on B 24 liberators. "
I didn't say children worked in munitions factories in the U.S.
funny, i didn't say children worked worked in munitions factories in the u.s.,either.
so children killed in wartime are merely casualties of war. even though they do not build bombs or bullets?
sockratties posted at 7:08 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
CALIFORNIA LEON… BETTER STAY OF THE STREETS. YOUR BUDDY SHERIFF JOE CAN PULL YOU IN NOW.
FROM YOUR LAST COMMENT IT’S OBVIOUS THAT THE ONLY POSTS YOU READ ARE YOUR OWN. DO YOU SIT AND TALK TO AN EMPTY CHAIR, TOO? OR MAYBE TO A SKY FAERY? OR TO YOUR FULL SIZE CUT-OUT DOLL OF MICHELLE IN A SLEEVELESS GOWN? FROOTS AND NUTS… CALIFORNIA LEON.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:52 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
wdgnas you posted " arizona willie: spin it however you want to if it makes you happier. children do not work in factories in the u.s. to build bombs and bullets. my mother worked at what would be offutt airforce base near omaha nebraska during ww2 on B 24 liberators. "
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That implies that < I > had said that children worked in factories in the u.s. to build bombs and bullets. And I never said anything about children in my posts at all prior to that post.
And yes, children killed in war are casualties of war. So is anyone killed by enemy action during a conflict. The soldiers are casualties of war too.
It is very unfortunate ... but that is war.
Even in the Bible there are stories about killing all the male children etc. etc.
I didn't say it was a GOOD thing. It's like the sun coming up in the East. It just happens.
And, sometimes, children are active participants in war. In Vietnam children would kill you just as dead as an adult would.
I would not be surprised if the Taliban and Al Queda used children for suicide bombers too. In fact, I believe they have.
There is a reason the say " war is hell ".
Bombs, bullets, rockets, and hand grenades do not recognize nationality / age / sex / religion or anything else. They do what they are designed to do without any discrimination at all.
killerbee posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
I don't know about others, but I am pretty disappointed with this forum.
There was a lot more spirited "debate" an the AZ Central page.
I just refused to get a FB page and I am not going to pay to view incessant popups and roll-over ads.
Maybe this one just needs more time. . .
mrconservative posted at 10:13 am on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
Sorry about that. For some reason, I thought his wikipedia page said he went to Spain. My mistake. I double-checked it. Turns out he did go to France.
VofReason posted at 1:10 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
What is the point here. President Obama didn't go into the military, but he gets (rightly) credit for killing Bin Laden and took the country into battle in Libya without Congressional approval. President W Bush was in the military and gets lambasted for taking the country into wars with Congressional approval. President Clinton took us into battles and he avoided any military service. What is the point? Only people who fought in wars can become President and take the country to war. That means we can only elect veterans then- I have no problem with that.
sockratties posted at 6:09 pm on Wed, Sep 19, 2012.
One of the reasons our founding fathers decided to make the president the commander-in-chief is so a civilian would always be in charge of the military. History has shown that when the generals are in charge they also take charge of the country. Egypt is a good example of that today. Once the army declared martial law and took over, no one, not even an election of a civilian president, has been able to get them out. Also, making only veterans eligible to be president would make a lot of people who are qualified in every other way, ineligible. There is good reason behind the way things are now. It ain’t broke so don’t try to fix it.