Bad businessman or is he lying?
When basing his platform off his record as a businessman, one would think that Mitt Romney would make sure his business record was clean.
Gov. Romney has stated countless times that he was not at Bain Capital when massive outsourcing took place at the companies he created — yet his name was still on record as CEO.
If Romney did continue working with his company during his time at the Olympics, he has been lying to the American people and losing the credibility he’s trying to build with the average citizen.
However, if he did leave Bain in 1999, as he said he had, why would the new CEO not be publicly named? It’s bad business to allow someone to run a company under your name and have no say in what is happening, just as it is bad business to lie about not having a voice in a company you still work with.
Governor Romney needs to admit to his past at Bain Capital so we can find out if he is just a bad businessman or lying about his past.
Marie Peat
Cave Creek
VofReason posted at 1:59 pm on Mon, Aug 6, 2012.
Yes let's man up as you say and send our hard earned money to get frittered away by the Federal Government. That sounds like a great idea. Yup, let's not encourage job creators to create jobs by intiating a higher level of business, let's send more money to the Fed, becuase we know they think wisely about every penny they spend. Plenty of proof out there that money to the federal Government is definily money well spent. I am kidding of course
Arizona Willie posted at 5:32 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.
VofReason --- that percentage wouldn't be enough to hurt me that much.
At some point though, I < would > consider coming out of retirement.
But it would take well over 50% and even then I doubt that I would.
At the present though, I have no incentive to do so.
I do believe that as citizens of this country we have an obligation to man up and pay up and quit whining.
All you conservatives wanted the wars, but you don't want to pay the debt that was created by borrowing to pay for them.
You didn't want to pay more in taxes then and you don't want to pay now.
Who is supposed to pay off that debt?
I know -- I know --- your grandkids get the bill. You'll be dead so you don't care as long as you don't have to pay for anything.
Conservatives = DEADBEATS.
Republicans say " cut spending " but, of course, the only thing they are willing to cut spending on is social programs. Anything that helps people ... THAT they want to cut.
Cutting spending only cuts future expense it does not pay on current debt.
Sometime -- someday -- someone is going to have to pay taxes to pay on that debt.
Unless, of course, conservatives want to see America default on it's debt and tell everyone they aren't going to pay.
Unless we get more taxes from SOMEWHERE, America IS heading to default / bankruptcy.
Out of every 3 dollars the government spends 1 dollars is borrowed.
How long would your household be able to operate that way?
Our country can't do it forever either.
chatmandu002 posted at 1:50 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.
When will the liberal/ progressive democrats understand it's my money not there's.
VofReason posted at 1:37 pm on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.
Good Willie. If we took another 10-15% of your pention pay away per month, would that make you more or less likely to go start a business? This ougth to be good.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:52 am on Thu, Aug 2, 2012.
mrconservative -- contrary to your belief, we had the most booming economy when we also had the highest tax rates on the wealthy.
How can it be?
When the super wealthy paid a very high tax rate they had a lot of incentive to expand their businesses and create more businesses in order to get more money.
Ever since Reagan was in office, the super wealthy have gotten tax cut after tax cut in exchange for promises of more jobs.
Now, they are sitting on piles of money and have no incentive to start a new business or expand the ones they already have.
Just as conservatives claim that welfare takes away incentive for the poor to work, tax cuts take away the incentive for the wealthy to start businesses.
mrconservative posted at 11:13 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
It's my understanding that Romney left Bain in '99 so he could save the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake. And save them he did. That cannot be denied. Without him, they never would have happened.
Willie, has there EVER been a time in our nation's history when raising taxes ever helped create jobs? As far as I know, there's never been one. It's the wealthy people that create the most jobs. I've said this many times before, but it bears repeating: I will NEVER take a job from a poor person. NEVER. Raising taxes never helped anyone.
Arizona Willie posted at 1:40 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
VofReason -- people are NOT required to believe the " polls " on Faux News.
And, you proved my point in another post.
The Republican answer for EVERYTHING is " cut taxes and regulations on business ".
They have NO other ideas. NONE.
VofReason posted at 1:15 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
But don't listen to me- polls say that the US public believes Romney can better react to the economy then President Obama. So reconcile that against what you believe.
VofReason posted at 1:13 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
This is all fluff. I think Willie has fallen into a series of Freudian slips. Isn't the President and the Democrat line that he and they and the Government must create jobs? Willie seemed to have seen the light (for a brief moment). Here is why Romney is in a better position to react to the economy and (wait for it) enable more jobs- he wants to get the Government out of the Businesses (taxes) and practices (regulations) to allow people (business owners) to have faith in the system to invest in business (jobs). No company should be chosen to succeed (Solyndra) or fail (Chik fil a). That is what conservative (other then Dale-not so much) people want to see.
pnutman posted at 12:04 pm on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
It is reported that Romney will tell all on Bain and his Tax's when the present
Incumbent produces according to Sgt Joe, his original BC ...It is also noted
that the sign on the BC produced by attending physician does not match up with the same Doc who delivered other Babies that same day.,Why don't those Signatures match up?
Apparently, the false copied forger of the BC did a poor job. The catch on it was that the Doctor's sign which was forged was done by a Lefthander ---real Doc was a Right handed Wing side of the Ledger. Thought provoking info eh?
Dale Whiting posted at 8:27 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
wdgnas,
I doubt it. Let's ask the Neo-cons on this site for their opinions.
Neo-cons, in today's political climate are either Reagan or Eisenhower true conservatives? How about Mr. Conservative himself, Barry Goldwater? Remember Barry was favorable to gay/lesbian rights!
wdgnas posted at 6:14 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
dale, if ike and saint ronald of reagan were running for president in this years primaries, would they be considered conservative enough?
Dale Whiting posted at 7:39 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
Romney goes to England and insults the Olympic Committee on their preparations, to Isreal and insults the Palestinians for being culturally inferior, and then kisses up in Poland with a has been political leader who then endorses him.
Does Romney have any foreign policy experience? Heck no! Nor does he have common sense!
Dale Whiting posted at 7:36 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
Willie,
What ever happened to those good old days when the Republican President we admired the most told us "Beware of the military-industrial complex?" I'll tell you what happened. It ate both parties, but especially the Republican Party whole hog.
So now our Neo-conservative party believes in cutting taxes on the rich, not to creat jobs here, but overseas, and to remove regulations on what's left here so that business can eat us whole hog, and in starting wars. Just about the only domestic manufacturing left is military. And that does creat jobs, jobs for the botton 1%, to whom we now say "Thank you for your service" meaning "Better you than me."
Arizona Willie posted at 3:08 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
If Mitt is elected he will do the same thing all recent Republicans have done or tried to do.
Start wars
Eliminate regulations on business
and
Cut taxes on the wealthy and business.
That's the Republican answer to EVERYTHING -- " cut taxes and remove regulation of business ".
fae4now posted at 2:04 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
I'll say this much for Chuckles - each time he gets called out for his phony claims he retreats back under the bridge like a good little troll and is not heard from again - until he pops up in a different thread!
Aw, let's just forget about Bain or the fact that Romney doesn't care to run on his record as Governor and even the fact that he has yet to define anything about any position with any details of what he would actually DO as president to reduce the deficit, create jobs, secure the border or health care etc.
I'm wondering how long it will take the Obama administration to restore the diplomatic relations Romney has puked all over while abroad. Clearly he has demonstrated what his own party has been saying for some time - the guy is "not ready for prime time" !
Arizona Willie posted at 1:22 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
Engaged Voter: presenting facts to a right winger is a waste of time.
Right wingers have a mentality based in an alternate universe.
Any inconvenient " facts " that don't fit their preconceived ideas are obviously false commie mis-information .
If Rush didn't say it, it can't possibly be true.
In fact, they have their doubts about Rush ... he's a little bit too far left.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:47 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
"And why exactly does he[Obama] have a SSN based from CT?"
Why are you spewing lies and false information?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp
"...the claim that Social Security numbers beginning with 042 are reserved for Connecticut residents is false. As explained by the SSA, the area number portion of a SSN does not (and never did) correspond to the state in which an application was born or resides..."
chuckles3 posted at 8:28 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
Still waiting for Obama's passport records, school transcript and thesis papers.
And why exactly does he have a SSN based from CT?
But by all means focus on Bain. Not the outsourced jobs from the stimulus. You know, Fiskar motors and places like that.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:45 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
Republicans scream that Obama hasn't created any jobs -- ignoring the fact that creating jobs is not in the President's job description.
Republicans claim jobs are created by the super wealthy who need more tax cuts -- so since Obama isn't one of those elite -- just how is he supposed to be responsible for the failure of the super rich to create the jobs they promised in exchange for tax cuts?
Republican candidates say they are businessmen and they know how to create jobs -- ok -- so how would a Republican President create jobs?
Remember .. he has no more power to create jobs as a government official than Obama has.
Their only answer is " I would cut taxes on business ".
The ONLY answer Republicans have to EVERYTHING is " cut taxes ".
No, that's not right ... they also say " eliminate regulations "
And we have all seen the results of the tax cuts the wealthy have been given ever since Reagan. Where are all those jobs they promised in exchange for the tax cuts for the wealthy?
And we have seen the results of the deregulation schemes. That produced the financial meltdown on Wall St. because all regulations were removed from the investment bankers and stockbrokers. And they went crazy stealing everything that wasn't nailed down.
Republicans are trying to force the country into bankruptcy so they can kill all social programs like Social Security and Medicare.
They started two unfunded wars and an unfunded Medicare prescription plan and BORROWED the money instead of having an income tax surcharge like we always did in the past in order to pay as we go.
Republicans are trying to borrow the country into bankruptcy.
Republicans = the party of BORROW AND SPEND and leave the bills to the grand kids.
downtownresident posted at 1:25 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Mitt's just a spoiled, rich, disconnected Mormon who can afford to hire enough lawyers and accountants to make him look however he wants to look.
After all, why do "you people" need to know about his past devious history. You're mostly just a bunch of useless Pagans who have no right to question a Mormon Bishop.
Let's get Joe Arpiao to look into this. This sounds more inportant that the birth certificate of someone who has already been in office for over 2 years.
VofReason posted at 12:59 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Here is something- who cares? For all the time spent on trying to understand why Romney would do anything to improve a company he worked for, President Obama is given a pass for never having made a dime in business, made payroll or anything else. In fact, for all intensive purposes, you are charged as being a racist or rightwinger if you want to know anything about Obama's history. I don't care too much about the Mr Obama's history, I just no he is not a good President.
chatmandu002 posted at 12:51 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Also Marie,
You only options to your question were Bad Businessman or Lying? How about Mitt is a good businessman and not lying? I find that to be the correct answer. I'll take Mitt at his word just like I'll take Obama at his word and make him a one term president if things aren't better.
chatmandu002 posted at 12:45 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Marie,
I guess you hit all the MSNBC and liberal media talking points about Mitt Romneys time at Bain Capital. The problem is that you hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see. Your political bias is not letting you see or hear the truth.
Has Romney done anything illegal? Wouldn't the IRS have found out? Has Romney done anything morally wrong? Come on it's Mitt the Mormon. Can a company CEO take a leave of absence?
It wasn't long ago that successful people where looked up to, now they are villains unless they are liberal/progressives then it's OK.
Dale Whiting posted at 10:40 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
I had my fill or business types when obtaining my own MBA. "Finance," which was Romney's focus, only focused on "the bottom line." Whether a buck was earned in the US or abroad, whether the business grew and provided more up-to-date services or shrank into oblivion, was of no concern to the Finance Majors.
I would have voted for Jon Huntsman. As a Republican and the son of a highly successful and reputable businessman, I could trust Huntsman to do the right thing. But not Mitt. The difference between Mitt and the Wall Street financiers was that he lived in Boston, not New York. But they are all cut from the same cloth.
Cerulean posted at 10:23 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Mr. Romney has hinted that he would push to eliminate all corporate tax on profits made in foreign land through outsourcing or otherwise.
If he were honest, he might say, ‘I made a profit by outsourcing and I don’t believe the U.S. should tax those profits.’ That philosophy is one of the reasons he is running for president. That philosophy is one of the reasons he has strong backing with hedge-fund managers.
As a consideration, to put this topic on a local scale, Arizona Republicans are considering how to tax internet sales. Arizona Republicans understand that the state is losing sales tax revenue due to online transactions.
So, it is an interesting debate, in my opinion.
Arizona Willie posted at 9:07 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
I believe that is possibly the reason Mitt won't release he taxes for those years.
The SEC forms make him appear to be lying because it is NOT standard practice to leave an ex-CEO'S name on SEC filings for years after he is no longer with the company.
They would typically file and amended form as soon as he left the company.
If, he identified himself as CEO of Bain on his tax returns, it proves that he considered himself in charge of the company and therefore he is not telling the truth about whether or not he was in charge of Bain.
Understandable he doesn't want to take the heat for destroying tens of thousands of jobs.
Republicans are famous for not wanting to be stand up people.
They started two unfunded wars and an unfunded Medicare prescription benefit and refuse to raise their taxes to pay for the wars they wanted.
Republicans -- the party of BORROW AND SPEND. Leave the bills to the grandkids.