ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- When Honduran-born Antonella Cecilia Packard converted to the Mormon Faith 20 years ago, she said it was like "coming home."
The Catholic-educated Packard, who grew up in "the middle of Mayan ruins," appreciated the faith's strong sense of family and conservative values. She also saw her own history in the Book of Mormon with stories of migrations, tragedies and triumphs of a people many Mormons believe are the ancestors of some present-day Latinos.
But two decades after her conversion while a college student at Mississippi State, the 43-year-old Packard finds herself on a new mission: defeating Mitt Romney and any Mormon politician who betrays what she sees as a basic Mormon principle of protecting immigrants.
As Romney continues to seek the Republican presidential nomination while rarely discussing his faith, a growing number of vocal Hispanic Mormons say they intend to use Mormon teachings as a reason to convince others not to vote for him. They have held firesides (equivalent to a tent revival) on immigration, protested outside of Romney campaign events and have traveled across state lines to help defeat other Mormon politicians with similar harsh immigration stances.
"Yes, we are happy that we have a Mormon running for president," said Packard, a Saratoga Springs, Utah, resident and member of Somos (We are) Republicans. "But a lot of us aren't supporting him because of his stance against immigrants."
While stressing the Mormon faith's historic connection to converting immigrants, Latino Mormons point directly to immigration stories in the Book of Mormon and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' recent statements against policies targeting immigrants. They also view Romney's stance against proposals giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship as hypocritical since Romney's great-grandfather, Miles Park Romney, who had five wives and 30 children, sought refuge in Mexico after passage of an 1882 law that barred polygamy.
"We view immigration as a God event," said Ignacio Garcia, a history professor at Brigham Young University and a Sunday school teacher at his Mormon ward. "The book says no one comes to the Land unless they are brought by God."
Those stories in the Book of Mormon, Garcia said, give Hispanic Mormons a powerful religious argument to use, especially since most believe they are descendants of the Lamanites, an indigenous group in the Americas described in the Mormon sacred text. According to the Book of Mormon, the Lamanites lived in the present-day American Southwest, traveled south and face years of hardship, and are prophesized to eventually return to the Promised Land.
In addition, Garcia said the recent political moves by Hispanic Mormons are gaining attention because Hispanics are the fastest growing group among the LDS faith in the U.S.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not keep ethnic data on its 6 million or so members. But according to a 2011 national survey of Mormons by Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life, Latinos make up 7 percent of Mormons in the U.S.
The church says the number of Spanish-speaking units has grown from 403 in 2001 to nearly 800 last year.
Garcia said it is estimated that nearly 70 percent of Latino Mormons are illegal immigrants. He said the church has responded by hiring members whose sole jobs are to transport some Latino missionaries from state to state because they can't fly due to their immigration status.
And last year, at least two Spanish-speaking LDS branch presidents were arrested and deported, highlighting the plight of immigrants within the faith.
Packard said those high profile deportations and the influx of new Hispanic members within the church helped with the recent passage of immigration bills in Utah that included an enforcement law modeled on Arizona's but balanced by a program that allows illegal immigrants to work and pay taxes in Utah if they register with the state.
Packard said she also was motivated to travel to Phoenix to campaign against the recently defeated former Arizona Sen. Russell Pearce, who authored Arizona's much debated immigration law. She and others also have helped organized other Latino Republicans to speak out against Romney.
Pablo Felix, a Spanish-speaking bishop of the Liahona Second Ward in Mesa, Ariz., was reluctant to criticize Romney but said the immigration stories in the Book of Mormon are powerful and one of the many factors that draw Latinos to the church and act on behalf of the faith.
Felix said he cannot be sure about his congregation, but he suspects some 60 to 70 percent of the members could be here illegally.
But Hispanic Mormons may have limited influence in Arizona's upcoming GOP primary and the general election this year. Garcia said that's because most are illegal immigrants and can't vote. Those who can, he said, lean toward moderate Democratic candidates.
Masterrogue666 posted at 6:13 pm on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.
Dale:
No answer here: http://eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_7f659b7a-4dc0-11e1-a86d-001871e3ce6c.html - Which was the ORIGINAL STORY as I recall
I'm still waiting for your answer here: http://eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_7f659b7a-4dc0-11e1-a86d-001871e3ce6c.html
This is where you stated "Go for it": http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_fa404818-5cf2-11e1-a591-001871e3ce6c.html
Your comments are nothing more than an attempt to create a strawman argument. I answered your primary question before you even asked it with my last closing statement: "I used Garcia's words, not mine. That still doesn't mean I agree completely with what he states. But it's clear that SOME MEMBERS are aware."
I guess you were too busy going off on a religious tangent that you missed what I had already written. I will not answer any of your questions above, because last time, you mentioned a "story" you wanted my input on. I gave it, but you didn't answer any questions I put there, or made any comment to acknowledge that you had even read it.
It started with this article: http://eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_7f659b7a-4dc0-11e1-a86d-001871e3ce6c.html Care to answer me there?
Dale Whiting posted at 1:00 pm on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.
Mr. 666,
Please get rid of the inuendo!!!!!!!!!!!! Come out with specific questions, especially where you have made only non-specific charges.
I now suppose that where you mention that illegals have been assisted, hence are known to be illegals, that assisting them is somehow illegal, immoral or otherwise improper!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was that your point, the question you wanted answered??????? Why do we Mormons love illegal aliens??????? I did answer you on that point. If fact I issued to you a challenge, one which you have ignored!!!!!!
Shall I now cut and past to draw your attention to this challenge??????
[cut and past follows]
"One final thought. Where "Charity is the pure love of Christ," why not show some pure love towards illegal immigrants who are here, not to sell drugs nor kidnap US Citizens, but to earn a livelihood to support their families??????? Those are the immigrants we Mormons cherish!
"And know this. We fund higher education for Church Members living in Mexico, and have helped develop agriculture in Mexico, even designing and helping to pay for irrigation projects which the local government will not. You can join with us in making charitable contributions to these projects, too! Will you???????"
[end of cut and past - with some added punctuation marks]
I also asked you to join with me to stop corn subsidies, explaining how our federal subsidies of corn grown north of the border impacts corn farming south of the border and stimulates illegal immigration. Respond to this!!!!!! Do you believe that corn subsidies act to stipulate illegal immigration and hense should be stopped?????
So Mr. 666,
It is now abundantly clear that to the very depths of your immortal soul you are waste and void of the Pure Love of Christ!!!!! You despise of not hate illegal aliens!
Now, if you have other "questions" for which you want answers, list each "one by one" with the reference you have to the piece and describe the issue or ask the question. I am having a hard time seeing through the fog you employ to screen your desires.
When I say "Go for It" understand that 1) I often do not look back farther than a day or two, 2) do not see in your babble any issues demanding responses, much less questions to be answered and 3) will answer any question which is clearly asked of me! But I do not go back looking for questions.
So "Go for it!"
P.S. Where you see a series of punctuation marks [???????' or '??????'] assume I am asking you a question or issuing you a challenge most unambiguously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Masterrogue666 posted at 9:42 am on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.
Dale: This isn't the only article where you didn't answer me. I guess you forgot the one where you asked me to "Go for it". I did provide the information there.
I DID answer you, with a quote from the article. I also stated that I know my brother in law and sister don't support ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION (unlike the Catholic Church does). What's MOST INTERESTING is that you mentioned the first part of my quote, but IGNORED the second part that PRODUCED what you requested. Here it is again:
"and (this one is the specfic statement)
"Garcia said it is estimated that nearly 70 percent of Latino Mormons are illegal immigrants. He said the church has responded by hiring members whose sole jobs are to transport some Latino missionaries from state to state because they can't fly due to their immigration status." -- So, the church IS AWARE, and WORSE, ASSISTS them!!!"
I used Garcia's words, not mine. That still doesn't mean I agree completely with what he states. But it's clear that SOME MEMBERS are aware.
Masterrogue666 posted at 9:32 am on Thu, Mar 1, 2012.
@ DaneMulhing: I got an email back from my sister. This is most of her answer:
"Mormons ARE Christians....I love how the very first line is incorrect...they refer to the church as "Church of Latter Day Saints". Our true name is "The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. Hence, we believe in Christ, we believe we are in the last dispensation, and we are followers of Christ or "saints". Do you remember the "Articles of Faith I referred to when I first responded to this newspaper article???. The first one states "We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost." I truly don't know how to say it any plainer than that. The problem most "Christian" churches have with "Mormons" is that we DON'T believe that God, Christ and the Holy Ghost are all one being. We believe they are 3 separate beings, united in one goal.....that being: For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
That second paragraph.....WOW! I have NEVER heard anyone ever say, teach or think that. I suppose if we think about it, it could have been that way. Obviously the "birth" of the Savior was the same as any other birth, due to being born on the earth to an earthly mother..... How Mary was impregnated has no record. My feeling on that is: Look what we do with his (God's) name, why should I give you more info about such a sacred thing that you would just ridicule. But that's just me:) But again, never heard it taught, discussed etc.
Mormons believe we can become LIKE God. Big distinction." -- There's more, but I figure this is enough for now.
Personally, I don't care if you are Christian, Muslim, Buddist, Angnostic, Atheist, et al. I judge a person by their actions, not their religion.
Dale Whiting posted at 6:48 pm on Wed, Feb 29, 2012.
Mr. 666,
Today is Wednesday, February 29th and it's 6:48 p.m. My last post on this series of comments was on Tuesday Feb 21st at 7:12 a.m. In that posts I asked you the following:
"Just how to you conclude that we Mormons think being an illegal immigrant is AOK?"
You replied:
' "We view immigration as a God event," said Ignacio Garcia, a history professor at Brigham Young University and a Sunday school teacher at his Mormon ward. "The book says no one comes to the Land unless they are brought by God." '
I did not bother to check back to see what you said in response. I have a very busy day on Tuesday's volunteering at a senior adult living center. I did not expect you to answer me. But you did. And apparently you demand a response. But I have not seen where you asked me any direct question, certainly not as direct as the one I asked you.
So here is my response.
I am not a a history professor at Brigham Young University but I am a teacher in my congregation. Yet neither I nor Brother Garcia are spokes persons for the Church. But furthermore his statement does not say Mormons approve of illegal immigration. Rather it says we understand it and appreciate that it does have some beneficial side effects. Were it possible, we'd like to see all immigrants come here legally. But it's not up to us so we do the best we can.
I suggested if you do not agree about those benefical side effects you ought to stop picking up hitch hickers and stop consuming some of the produce illegal workers harvest. In your response, you denied participating in any way to realize these benefits.
So here comes another one. Our federal government's support of corn subsidies sends cheap corn south of the border lowering the price of corn grown in Mexico to the point that Mexican farmers cannot make a living growing corn there, leading many to come north illegally to find work to support their families. Will you join with me in demanding a full and complete termination of corn subsidies?
One final thought. Where "Charity is the pure love of Christ," why not show some pure love towards illegal immigrants who are here, not to sell drugs nor kidnap US Citizens, but to earn a livelihood to support their families? Those are the immigrants we Mormons cherish!
And know this. We fund higher education for Church Members living in Mexico, and have helped develop agriculture in Mexico, even designing and helping to pay for irrigation projects which the local government will not. You can join with us in making charitable contributions to these projects, too! Will you?
DaneMuhlig posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.
~Mormonism Not Christian
Mormonism [Church of Latter Day Saints] is not Christian is because it denies the doctrines
of Christianity. Mormonism denies that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh,
forgiveness of sins is by grace, Jesus rose from the dead physically.
God, One of Many Gods, is An Exalted Man, Who is Married with Many Wives
Mormonism teaches that God is a an exalted man, that he used to be a man on another
planet and he is only one of countless gods and that God is married and he brought one
of his wives to this world and produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth.
God Had Sex with Mary
Mormons say God had sex with Mary and produced Jesus! According to Mormonism there
was no virgin birth. "The Father came down from heaven...and begat the Savior of the World;
for He is the Only Begotten of the Father which could not have been if the Father did not
actually beget him in person...The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of
our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood." (Brigham
Young, Journal Of Discourses, Vol. 1 page 238 and8:115)
Man Can Become God
Mormons believe that man can become God! "The Lord created you and me for the purpose
of becoming Gods like Himself." Brigham Young (Journal Of Discourses 3:93).
Jesus Was A Polygamist
The reason people "persecuted Jesus Christ, was because he had so many wives; there were
Elizabeth and Mary, and a host of others." [Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346] "The
Scripture says the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they
were, unless his wives and children." Brigham Young [Journal of Discourses,Vol.13.pg309]
Jesus and Satan Are Spirit Brothers
Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers. [Journal of Discourses, 93:21]
Salvation through Joseph Smith
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God
without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the
certificate of Joseph Smith." [Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91]
The Bible Is Not Infallible and Is Not Reliable
Mormons teach that the Bible has many errors and is unreliable and was corrupted in
translation and it is not infallible.They believe their Book of Mormon is God's Word. It is
“the most correct of any book on earth and the keystone of our religion." Joseph Smith
Polygamy Marriages in Heaven
Mormon’s believe that you can be married to many wives in Heaven.
Baptism for the Dead
Mormon's baptize people in water on behalf of dead people for the forgiveness of their sins.
Mormon's Holy Underwear
Mormons have a Temple Ceremony where the person is given "Mormon
Underwear" that is to protect them against the Evil One.
Joseph Smith, Mormon Founder, Met Jesus
In 1820 Mormon founder Joseph Smith was 14 years old and he said God the Father and
Jesus met him outside of New York. Three years later he said an Angel named Moroni
inspired him to write the Book of Mormon, which is "another Bible" and "new revelation" of
Jesus Christ and it is about an ancient people who came from the middle east to the
Americas. The Mormons follow 2 other books, Doctrine & Covenants & Pearl of Great Price.
Joseph Smith Met John the Baptist
In 1829 Joseph Smith said John the Baptist appeared to him and ordained him.
Christians Are All Wrong...Their Creeds Are An Abomination
Joseph Smith said, Christians were "all wrong... all their creeds were an admonition."
Joseph Smith Greater Than Jesus
Smith said, "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has
ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam...Neither Paul,
John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I"
Joseph Smith:"I Am Impregnable...God is My Right Hand Man"
Smith said, "The whole Earth shall bear me witness that I, like the towering rock in the
midst of the ocean, am impregnable...I combat the errors of ages... I solve mathematical
problems of universities, with truth, diamond truth; and God is my right hand man...
you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves,"
Brigham Young, Mormon's 2nd Prophet, Creates New Scriptures
Young said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out that they may not call
Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good a scripture"
Mormon Polygamy
After 1852, when the Mormon Church was openly practicing polygamy, the leaders of the
church were declaring that it was absolutely essential for exaltation. A revelation given by
Joseph Smith, "Ten virgins given unto him [Solomon] by this law, he cannot commit
adultery...therefore is he justified."
Joseph Smith A Polygamist...An Adulterer...and A Pedophile
Joseph Smith had 33 wives! He married several who were married to other men." Nancy
Marinda Johnson married Joseph Smith while her husband, Orson Hyde, was on a
mission to Jerusalem." Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner, the wife of Adam Lightner,
said that Joseph claimed an "angel" came with a "drawn sword" and told him that if
he did not enter into polygamy "he would slay him."
Joseph Smith's youngest wife, Helen Mar Kimball, was 14 years old!!!!
Joseph Smith Wife Damned If She Doesn't Accept Polygamy
Joseph Smith prophesied his first and only legal wife Emma would be damned
or destroyed if she did not accept polygamy (Doctrine & Covenants 132).
Brigham Young 55 Wives and 57 Children
Brigham Young, the 2nd Prophet of Mormonism had 55 wives and 57 children!!
Must Commit Polygamy to Become Gods
Brigham Young said, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are
those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11,269) "If you want to
become a god one day you must violate the already given law of God now.
"[Doctrine and Covenants132 Verses 62-63]
Must Commit Polygamy or You Will Be Damned and Not Enter God's Glory
"He that abideth not this law (polygamy) can in no wise enter into my glory, but
shall be damned, saith the Lord." (D&C,132:27). "Now if any of you deny the
plurality of wives, I promise that you will be damned." Brigham Young
Mormonism is Not Christian
"Many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."[Jesus Christ,Mt.24:11]
DaneMuhlig posted at 11:57 am on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
~Mormonism Not Christian
Mormonism [Church of Latter Day Saints] is not Christian is because it denies the doctrines
of Christianity. Mormonism denies that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh,
forgiveness of sins is by grace, Jesus rose from the dead physically.
God, One of Many Gods, is An Exalted Man, Who is Married with Many Wives
Mormonism teaches that God is a an exalted man, that he used to be a man on another
planet and he is only one of countless gods and that God is married and he brought one
of his wives to this world and produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth.
God Had Sex with Mary
Mormons say God had sex with Mary and produced Jesus! According to Mormonism there
was no virgin birth. "The Father came down from heaven...and begat the Savior of the World;
for He is the Only Begotten of the Father which could not have been if the Father did not
actually beget him in person...The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of
our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood." (Brigham
Young, Journal Of Discourses, Vol. 1 page 238 and8:115)
Man Can Become God
Mormons believe that man can become God! "The Lord created you and me for the purpose
of becoming Gods like Himself." Brigham Young (Journal Of Discourses 3:93).
Jesus Was A Polygamist
The reason people "persecuted Jesus Christ, was because he had so many wives; there were
Elizabeth and Mary, and a host of others." [Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346] "The
Scripture says the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not know who they
were, unless his wives and children." Brigham Young [Journal of Discourses,Vol.13.pg309]
Jesus and Satan Are Spirit Brothers
Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers. [Journal of Discourses, 93:21]
Salvation through Joseph Smith
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God
without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the
certificate of Joseph Smith." [Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91]
The Bible Is Not Infallible and Is Not Reliable
Mormons teach that the Bible has many errors and is unreliable and was corrupted in
translation and it is not infallible.They believe their Book of Mormon is God's Word. It is
“the most correct of any book on earth and the keystone of our religion." Joseph Smith
Polygamy Marriages in Heaven
Mormon’s believe that you can be married to many wives in Heaven.
Baptism for the Dead
Mormon's baptize people in water on behalf of dead people for the forgiveness of their sins.
Mormon's Holy Underwear
Mormons have a Temple Ceremony where the person is given "Mormon
Underwear" that is to protect them against the Evil One.
Joseph Smith, Mormon Founder, Met Jesus
In 1820 Mormon founder Joseph Smith was 14 years old and he said God the Father and
Jesus met him outside of New York. Three years later he said an Angel named Moroni
inspired him to write the Book of Mormon, which is "another Bible" and "new revelation" of
Jesus Christ and it is about an ancient people who came from the middle east to the
Americas. The Mormons follow 2 other books, Doctrine & Covenants & Pearl of Great Price.
Joseph Smith Met John the Baptist
In 1829 Joseph Smith said John the Baptist appeared to him and ordained him.
Christians Are All Wrong...Their Creeds Are An Abomination
Joseph Smith said, Christians were "all wrong... all their creeds were an admonition."
Joseph Smith Greater Than Jesus
Smith said, "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has
ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam...Neither Paul,
John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I"
Joseph Smith:"I Am Impregnable...God is My Right Hand Man"
Smith said, "The whole Earth shall bear me witness that I, like the towering rock in the
midst of the ocean, am impregnable...I combat the errors of ages... I solve mathematical
problems of universities, with truth, diamond truth; and God is my right hand man...
you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves,"
Brigham Young, Mormon's 2nd Prophet, Creates New Scriptures
Young said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out that they may not call
Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good a scripture"
Mormon Polygamy
After 1852, when the Mormon Church was openly practicing polygamy, the leaders of the
church were declaring that it was absolutely essential for exaltation. A revelation given by
Joseph Smith, "Ten virgins given unto him [Solomon] by this law, he cannot commit
adultery...therefore is he justified."
Joseph Smith A Polygamist...An Adulterer...and A Pedophile
Joseph Smith had 33 wives! He married several who were married to other men." Nancy
Marinda Johnson married Joseph Smith while her husband, Orson Hyde, was on a
mission to Jerusalem." Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner, the wife of Adam Lightner,
said that Joseph claimed an "angel" came with a "drawn sword" and told him that if
he did not enter into polygamy "he would slay him."
Joseph Smith's youngest wife, Helen Mar Kimball, was 14 years old!!!!
Joseph Smith Wife Damned If She Doesn't Accept Polygamy
Joseph Smith prophesied his first and only legal wife Emma would be damned
or destroyed if she did not accept polygamy (Doctrine & Covenants 132).
Brigham Young 55 Wives and 57 Children
Brigham Young, the 2nd Prophet of Mormonism had 55 wives and 57 children!!
Must Commit Polygamy to Become Gods
Brigham Young said, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are
those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11,269) "If you want to
become a god one day you must violate the already given law of God now.
"[Doctrine and Covenants132 Verses 62-63]
Must Commit Polygamy or You Will Be Damned and Not Enter God's Glory
"He that abideth not this law (polygamy) can in no wise enter into my glory, but
shall be damned, saith the Lord." (D&C,132:27). "Now if any of you deny the
plurality of wives, I promise that you will be damned." Brigham Young
Mormonism is Not Christian
Masterrogue666 posted at 7:27 am on Thu, Feb 23, 2012.
@TeaPartyPatriot: I disagree. I've studied the Mormon Church. My sister, her husband, and family are active members. Although I didn't "join", I like many things they purpose. Cult is defined as:
1. A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
2. A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
Under the first definition, ALL religions could be considered cults. As for the second, I've never discovered anything "sinister" in their teachings.
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 8:12 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.
Hellraiser, if Mormons are Christians then so was David Karesh and all the branch davidians that Clinton had torched. Mormons are right up there with scientologists in terms of cultism. That this cult caught on is no justification to call it Christianity.
DefendUrRights posted at 4:28 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.
Too bad that illegal aliens can't read and understand
i l l e g a l .... means that you broke the law and should be deported. etc. etc.
SICK OF WHINING ILLEGALS. GO BACK TO MEXICO.
quietgardens posted at 1:32 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.
To the author of this article...how about finding a group of people that are minorities AND support Romney?? Now, that would be an article I would like to read!
quietgardens posted at 1:30 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.
Vote for Romney if you like him. Don't vote for him if you don't.
Even Jesus was a law abiding citizen and followed the government rules. Come to America, but do it the legal way. Earn your citizenship. America is a great country!
Masterrogue666 posted at 12:28 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.
Like Rich, Dale hates to admit he's wrong. Dale also doesn't like to apologize, even when he know he's done wrong to another.
Rational Human posted at 7:19 am on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.
Now answer Psychobabble Dale? They should put Psychobabble on the staff. He'd make a valuable asset to this liberal rag. The new class clown.
Masterrogue666 posted at 4:52 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
No answer Dale?
Hellraiser posted at 1:59 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
Accuracy.... Christians that don't recognize Mormons as Christians are ignorant and stupid. If you do any research at all you should know that they are Christians.
Hellraiser posted at 1:56 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
If they are illegal, how are they going to vote?
Accuracy posted at 1:09 pm on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
Concerning immigration – former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, in his bid for the Republican presidential nomination, keeps on saying that his father, George Wilcken Romney, “was born in Mexico”.
George W. Romney was born, July 8, 1907, to parents living in the Mormon colonies in the Mexico settlements located near the Sierra Madre mountains in northern Mexico. Where the Romney family, and other Mormon colonists, came to Mexico due to federal attempts to curb and prosecute “polygamy” in the United States.
Willard “Mitt” Romney is a Mormon. Strong religious faith in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) – having donated millions of dollars to the Mormon Church, and tax records show he tithes to it.
But, is Mitt Romney a Christian? Most Christians do not recognize Mormons as part of the Christian faith.
jacklb164 posted at 10:20 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
Obama is playing the Republican Party like a fiddle. This so-called war on religion is a pretext to get the far right to rally around an unelectable candidate, and Rick Santorum is playing right into it with his comments about Obama, birth control, women, gays, etc. It may play well with the far right, but will be his downfall in a general election.
If employees of Catholic institutions needing free contraception was the biggest issue facing America I'd be all for Santorum. Since the real problems are runaway deficit spendings, a lagging job market, and high gas prices I think we need to look elsewhere.
While Santorum is a proven social conservative, he is NOT a small government or fiscal conservative. He was part of the Bush spending spree. Just listen to him in his own words:
http://youtu.be/E_OEjdh697o
Masterrogue666 posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
By the way, I DON'T pick up hitch-hikers, for the same reason I don't use my real name when posting. I usually have my daughter with me, and I won't expose her to that kind of risk. Besides, in certain cases, hitch-hiking is illegal.
I do my own yard work, and the entire family cleans the house. I also take care of the pool myself. Why pay money for something I can easily do myself?
As for lettuce and strawberries, since I don't know if they have been picked by hand, does it matter? LEGAL immigrants pick those crops too. However, I don't go to McDonalds because they have been raided for hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS on more than one occasion.
Masterrogue666 posted at 8:35 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
Dale: Did you even READ the article? And I quote:
' "We view immigration as a God event," said Ignacio Garcia, a history professor at Brigham Young University and a Sunday school teacher at his Mormon ward. "The book says no one comes to the Land unless they are brought by God." '
and (this one is the specfic statement)
"Garcia said it is estimated that nearly 70 percent of Latino Mormons are illegal immigrants. He said the church has responded by hiring members whose sole jobs are to transport some Latino missionaries from state to state because they can't fly due to their immigration status." -- So, the church IS AWARE, and WORSE, ASSISTS them!!!
My brother in law and my sister follow the Morman believe, although they ARE against ILLEGAL ALIENS. I'm interested in seeing what they have to say about this.....
azblacklab99 posted at 7:14 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
Read all the comments and see the huge majority of Americans want immigration enforced. We want our laws enforced. The 12 million illegals who are here have no legitimate ID, drivers license, car insurance or legal job. Stop illegal immigration. Deport the law breakers. Stop the welfare programs that help them. Report the employers who help them.
Dale Whiting posted at 7:12 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
Mr. 666,
Just how to you conclude that we Mormons think being an illegal immigrant is AOK? Looks to me like you'd better not ever pick up a hitch hiker! And you'd best be doing all your own yard work! Don't even think about hiring someone from Merry Maids to come into your house! And as we have discussed before, you'd best stop eating lettuce and strawberries. Participating in any of these practices can be construed as supporting illegal immigrants.
Samcat,
You're qualifing statement needs to be emphasized, so I'll repeat it. "If this is the official position." Well, it's not. The official position is a belief in strick separation between church and state, affording all people, even illegal immigrants, the right to worship when, where, and what they may" and has been so since the early 1840's.
Slabside,
I trust that waiting 12 hours through the night did you no harm!
"mariapar,"
there are plenty of reasons to not vote from Mitt Romney. I heard one just the other day [about 9 days ago]. He's wasting his money on a vane attempt at fame. "Vanity, vanity, all is vanity." [Soloman, I believe]
"kj",
That same statement of principles I mentioned above also states "We believe in . . . obeying, honoring and sustaining the law." That principle so impressed the East German government that long before the Iron Curtain fell, we Mormons were permitted to commence construction of houses of worship there at a time when such construction was tied up in red tape in West Germany. We are also the only Christian denomination that has an overseas campus in Israel and have negociated to have a similar campus in Jordan.
Now, to you all.
Think back on what was said in this article. Perhaps the most important message was "Latino Mormons point directly to immigration stories in the Book of Mormon and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' recent statements against policies targeting immigrants." These statements against targeting immigrants are a large part of what tubed Russell Pearce who largely ignored them in SB 1070.
I'm all for comprehensive immigration reform. Obey, honor and sustain the law. But when it conflicts with higher law, work to change that lower man made law. That seems to be the message being preached by Rick Sandorium, wouldn't you agree?
Separation between church and state does not mean that we don't vote. Rather it means that we vote our individual consciences informed by our faith. Think "Utah compact" here. It's a step in the direction of immigration reform. Arizona would be wise to follow suit.
Mitt appears to have forgotten some of that faith. But his father did not forget. Rather George told us the truth even when it brought him harm and rejection. Remember his statement about "being brain washed" on Vietnam by LBJ? We all were brain washed by LBJ. LBJ even brain washed himself and finally had to admit it. LBJ was the first in a line of Presidents from Texas who practiced and themselves became brain washed about foreign wars in places we had no business being.
And when we Mormons find ourselves on the "wrong side" of both history and God's law, we also change. Rather than fight our "imaginary" forces of evil, Bush 43's axis of evil, we need to get to know those forces which we do not understand. Think "Jon Huntsman, Jr." here. Did you know that ruffly 1 % of Ulan Bador, the capital city of Mongolia, a democratic republic, are practicing Mormons? We're everywhere!
k33j88 posted at 4:46 am on Tue, Feb 21, 2012.
What ever happened to enforcing the laws on the books? Aren't we a nation of laws? Even the bible states that one should obey GOD'S laws, then mans'. How many OTM'S(other than mexicans) are islamic terrorists waiting for their call of duty? How many more ranchers, border patrol agents, and average, law abiding citizens must die at the hands of the liberal establishment? Multi-culturalism is destroying our moral fabric and removing the glue that binds us as a nation. Press 7 for ENGLISH, all others take priority.
mariapar posted at 11:04 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
Bishop Romney 's PACK EXPENT 14 MILLIONS IN NEGATIVE ADDS TO CONFUSE THE MINDS OF THE ARIZONIANS . JA ! Now ROMONEY WILL PARADE THE DONALD …. DESPERATION TIME !
32 Entries of SHAMEFULLY opposite Political Posturing by Mitt Romney
http://tinyurl.com/6u643xb
MONEY WILL NOT HIDE THE TRUTH or smoke the minds of the arizonians !
SEE A FEW OF THE 32 ENTRIES... VIDEO HIS OWN WORDS AND VOICE.
priceless......
mariapar posted at 10:51 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
32 Entries of SHAMEFULLY opposite Political Posturing by Mitt Romney
WILLIARD ROMNEY - SELF DESTRUCTING
Remember that the Obama machine have THESE videos and will USE them to pulverize the bishop Romney = 4 more years of Obama doom
http://tinyurl.com/6u643xb
and Jesus Said..... "Let your 'Yes' be 'Yes' and your 'No' be 'No': anything beyond this comes from the Evil One" - Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:37 - The Sermon on the Mount (NIV)
SEE ALL ENTRIES - SIT DOWN FIRST.
LOVE USA? E-mail links to all your contacts .
We the people more powerful than money !
and for a little laugh:
Mitt Romney pulls a Clinton
http://tinyurl.com/7mokeqb
http://tinyurl.com/87pells
Research the candidates for yourself !
Slabside posted at 6:45 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
I can barely wait for Captain Neo-Con's spin on this.
samkat posted at 5:50 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
If this is the official position of the Mormon church, it is time to give them as much unfavorable press as possible.
chatmandu002 posted at 5:35 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
Secure the border and enforce all the immigration laws already on the books.
Masterrogue666 posted at 4:56 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
"Latinos" in general don't support Romney because of his stance on ILLEGAL ALIENS. Latinos that happen to be Mormons have already been counted.
However, I found this very interesting:
"Garcia said it is estimated that nearly 70 percent of Latino Mormons are illegal immigrants. He said the church has responded by hiring members whose sole jobs are to transport some Latino missionaries from state to state because they can't fly due to their immigration status."
So the church thinks it's OK to ignore the rule of man's law?