Is Mesa site big enough for Cubs and Waveyard?

9 comments:

• votenomesa posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Sep 22, 2010.

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  No $84 million giveaway to a billionaire baseball owner.

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• busdriningmom posted at 6:30 pm on Wed, Sep 22, 2010.

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  This is prop 420 because Brady and Mayor Smith are hoping Mesa voters are stoned enough to fund giving corporate welfare to people who have more money than god. And this for a team who couldn't win the World Series if they were playing unopposed.

  p.s. 420 is a slang term for pot, therefore the stoned reference.

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• snipes posted at 8:45 pm on Wed, Sep 22, 2010.

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  "As part of the deal to have Waveyard share the space, the city dropped a requirement that the developer include a resort and 200,000 square feet of stores and restaurants. "
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  This con-job just gets worse.

  When Mesa voters approved the original Waveyard con-job in 2007, part of the agreement was that Waveyard had to meet all sorts of requirements about the size and calibre of hotel as well as retail space and more.

  So now, all by himself, Chity Manager Brady decides that Waveyard can be downsized to only 25 acres and forgo all the previous agreements?

  Sheesh, they have already missed their first deadline by 9 months, and now it appears that most the stipulations weren't binding at all.

  What's the point of having an agreement that isn't binding?

  Better question, what's in the Cubs agreement that will be promptly ignored a day after the election?

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• MesaAZGuy posted at 9:32 pm on Wed, Sep 22, 2010.

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  There's Snipes as usual trying to throw doubt in like it's actually fact.

  Waveyard won't get any incentives since they won't have any retail parts and they didn't live up to their agreement. It's like starting over from scratch.

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• Rich posted at 10:35 pm on Wed, Sep 22, 2010.

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  MesaAZGuy

  They're going to open a free water park, give away free refreshments, and kayaks and surfboards? Or are they only going to sell to groups, wholesale?

  There is only one real question here. Are the citizens of Mesa going to be that gullible, again?

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• mrfixer123 posted at 5:50 am on Thu, Sep 23, 2010.

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  This just just another slight of hand ripoff. I'd much prefer a nice 9 hole golf course on the site that can be used YEAR round. ........OH, WAIT, IT"S ALREADY THERE.

  And by the way........No one has mentioned there are already two other water parks to the South and North of the proposed Waveyard.

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• 1_lstephen posted at 6:08 am on Thu, Sep 23, 2010.

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  It's a grand slam investment. The city of Mesa proposition #420 to spend MORE than $1.5 million alongside an $84 million dollar project, that will inherit jobs, entertainment and revenue. The stadium owners (Rickett) will pay annual taxes and help Mesa's economy. To adjoining business outside and nearby the stadium, wherever the Cubs choose to build might also gain revenue by the Cubs attraction of Wrigley's West...sometimes we (Mesa) must spend money on good investments to help the growth of our City--especially in a time through economic recovery. Mesa needs to take a giant first step...I hope this will brighten our future...Go Cubs...This project is not a gamble...its a sure thing that will help our community.

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• Poorman posted at 7:44 am on Thu, Sep 23, 2010.

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  The City of Mesa has to try and save face over the Waveyard fiasco,as well as trying to keep the Cubs here. What a joke!

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• forkedlift1 posted at 11:58 am on Thu, Sep 23, 2010.

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  The Nov. 2 election is in less than six weeks with early voting beginning in a couple of weeks. So what's this about a Cubs Cactus League baseball complex combined with Waveyard (two commercial entities)? And what's this about the city manager suddenly saying,
  "I’m hoping to have something next week and maybe in two or three weeks we can sit down with both sides and see if we can work this out.”

  "Both sides"? There are no "both sides" as far as voters and taxpayers are affected.

  The city's belated brainstorm not only took the Cubs' owner off-guard but was a surprise to Waveyard's Jerry Hug as well. It's a day late and a dollar short and is very likely unlawful.....at least for THIS election.
  
  To date Waveyard has not met its legal, financial or contractual obligations and was granted an extension until next summer to do so. Period. And, surprise, Waveyard is not a Cactus League team.

  It's bad enough that the ballot question is not site-specific. It's bad enough that it does not have a capped dollar amount "to construct or aid in the construction of a City-owned stadium, training, practice facility and related improvements for Cactus League Spring Training baseball."

  But there is no doubt as to the sole purpose of the funding which Mesa voters are being asked to authorize. The purpose does not include another commercial entity coming in the back door to "share" any given land with the Cactus League facilities.

  "Starting over from scratch" NOW (as one commenter was advocating) would fall into the category of voter fraud.
  
  Geez, Mesa, don't foul things up with the Cubs and don't defraud voters.
  
  Here's the ballot question for Mesa voters:

  DESCRIPTIVE TITLE: Authorize the City to expend public funds, grant tax concessions or relief, or incur debt in an amount greater than $1.5 million, and/or grant City-owned land of a fair market value in excess of $1.5 million to construct or aid in the construction of a City-owned stadium, training, practice facility and related improvements for Cactus League Spring Training baseball.

  A “YES” vote shall have the effect of approving public expenditures for the construction of a City-owned Cactus League Spring Training stadium and facilities.
  
  A”NO” vote shall have the effect of disapproving public expenditures for the construction of a City-owned Cactus League Spring Training stadium and facilities.

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