Valley's Muslim community didn't shrink from 9/11 questions - far from it

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• beefrits posted at 8:35 am on Wed, Sep 7, 2011.

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  OK. I'll get it out of the way so everyone doesn't have to tell me that I'm an ignorant, bigoted, hate filled Islamophobe. By your standards, I guess I am.

  But I'm sick of Muslims telling me how peaceful their religion is while their brothers and sisters show me how it is by spreading death in the name of Allah worldwide. I'm sick of spokespeople like CAIR trying to convince me they all want the same things as we do while they scream about persecution by those who react to honor killings, violence against women and systematic elimination of Christians from Islamic countries globally, with revulsion. Organizations like CAIR and Deedra's group rarely join in the condemnation. They just whine about the reaction.

  "Even “though there were a lot of people upset and angry” and projecting that toward Muslims after 9/11, many non-Muslims were suddenly open to dialogue, said Deedra Abboud, executive director of the Muslim-American Society’s Freedom Foundation in the Valley. “They were open to the idea that it was not our people’s fault just because they had some crazy among them — we all do.”"
  Yes Deedra, we all do but the rest of us seek to jail or eliminate the crazies from our midst, not make excuses for them or provide support. A recent poll by Pew Research showed that the percentage of Muslims in the MIddle East who support suicide bombing (the numbers are declining) range from 5% in Tukey to 68% in Palestine. That's a LOT of crazies, Deedra. Heck , your peaceful brethren can't even stop killing each other over such stupidity as whether Shia or Sunni versions of the religion are correct. Sorry, but I'm not buying what the ad campaign is selling.

  You want me to believe your version? Mount a vigorous and widely Muslim-supported campaign condemning the violence, with spokespersons putting out press releases every time it occurs. Publicly disown those committing the murders as well as those in your midst who support them in any way as un-Islamic. Stop going ballistic over cartoons, perceived insults and vague social slights.

  And one more thing. Until you do these things, stay away from 9/11 memorializing. The memorial by Islam is still visible in NY at Ground Zero. This date is my sacred day of mourning, not yours.

  
  

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• Dale Whiting posted at 3:30 pm on Wed, Sep 7, 2011.

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  You know, beefrits,

  perhaps your problem is that before 9-11, you did not know any Muslims, knew next to nothing about Islam, never lived amongst and worked with Muslims and only cared about Islam to the extent that much of the world's crude oil reserves are in countries which are predominantly populated by Muslims.

  For those of us whose experiences were drastically different from yours, 9-11 was a very sad day, sad indeed. We sensed a attack coming, knew about the rising levels of discent amongst a militant minority, but did not need anyone to tell us what Muslims thought or how they felt about the West and its curious geopolitics. We already knew!

  This article tells us that notwithstanding the fear 9-11 generated in you Islamo-ignoramuses, over the last decade those Muslims living near us here in Maricopa County are doing much better than we feared they would after 9-11. We Christians are not as bad as many of us feared we would be. For this I observe, "Allah be praised!"

  I never sought to place any sort of blame on Roman Catholics at large for the membership of Irish Catholics in IRA, the strongest terrorist group in the British Isles during our time. I never thought Irish Catholics wanted to kill all Protestants living in Northern Ireland. However, some tried, didn't they! One or two even asked me for donations!

  But I do know that Christians seeking fame and fortune did wage a series of Crusades against otherwise peace loving peoples living in the Holy Land, all respecting eachother's religious faith. According to the diary of a French Priest who entered Jerusalem when it fell in the First Crusade, the streets ran red with the blood of men, women and children, of Muslim, Christian and Jewish faiths. If you were not French, you were killed. And in the end, guess who won those wars? Generally God is on the side of the righteous! God is Great! It's His children who are not so great, children of all faiths!

  I count my Muslim friends and acquaintances to be among the greatest people I have ever known. And most importantly, although I know of 5 men, former co-workers of mine, who while stepping off a bus I used to ride, were machine gunned to death on the streets of Istanbul in the Fall of 1978 by Muslim Kurdish separatists, I know that the vast vast majority of Muslims are as peace loving, forgiving and desireous to make your acquaitance as are the few true followers of the Prince of Peace. Let Peace be praised. And let the Kurds have their own home land!

  As the weekend approaches, go back and read the 9-11 Commission's report and recommendations. Read it carefully. Then ask youself what if any progress we here in the USA have made towards adopting and implementing those recommendations. One does not have to read much between the lines of that report to understand why that minority of militants despise us and resist our prevasive influence in their cultures.

  Truth is, the best way to fight terrorism and terrorists is to come to understand them. They really are not so different from us. Were we in their place, chances are, we would be terrorists, too. And it is this realization which must sadden the heart of the Prince of Peace.

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• Slabside posted at 4:33 pm on Wed, Sep 7, 2011.

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  beefrits, I agree with you 100%!
  Keep reading the posts here at EVT (especially those pertaining to Muslims) and you will read and re-read the story of the 5 buddies being machine gunned while getting off the bus over and over again like I have.

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• shrinkingviolet posted at 5:31 pm on Wed, Sep 7, 2011.

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  SS, what the heck are you talking about?

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• Slabside posted at 7:29 pm on Wed, Sep 7, 2011.

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  violet, read whiting's post above mine. He has written about the slaying of his buddies over and over. While tragic, it's time to move on. He doesn't but still defends Muslims (peaceful Muslims and Radical Muslim terrorists) just the same.

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• shrinkingviolet posted at 1:11 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

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  It's rather sad that you are compelled to attack everything this man posts. And you talk about moving on! But some people just aren't happy unless they have the last word... Enjoy.

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• Slabside posted at 2:02 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

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  What is sad is you asked and I explained. Don't go away mad... just go away.

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• beefrits posted at 11:58 am on Thu, Sep 8, 2011.

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  Actually Dale, I did know some Muslims prior to 9/11 and they were peaceful, friendly people, so that's obviously not my problem. They were also quite secular in that the women did not wear the hijab and were permitted to drive a car and leave the house without being accompanied by a male family member, unlike in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam and the country to which all Muslims on earth seek to make their hajj, one of the pillars of their faith. That will ultimately be THEIR problem if those that I do have a problem with take over, as the Quran commands, since secular Muslims are considered apostates and are condemned to death. Not my idea of a peaceful religion, Dale.
  One more thing, Dale. Before you call me an Islamoignoramus, know that I have read the Quran and know something about those who would offer me 3 choices: 1. To convert to Islam, 2. To pay jizya and live in fear a s a second class citizen, or 3. To die by the sword.

  If you think that the IRA violence, inspired by politics, is equivalent to Islamic violence, commanded by Allah as jihad, you are delusional, Dale. Muslims kill more in 2 months than all the dead combined killed by the IRA. And read your history. The Islamic prophet Mohammed was a military leader who waged war on nomadic tribes and Christians alike to spread his faith, and he was enthusiastic about it. Right or wrong, the Crusades were a response to the occupation of Jerusalem and the Levant by warlike Islamic forces. The notion that the Middle East was peaceful until the Europeans invaded is absolutely false and your stating it as fact is either motivated by deception or ignorance.

  One last thing, Dale. Terrorists are very much unlike us. They seek to impose their beliefs on me by force and are willing to commit suicide to to do it. I understand them just fine. Unlike you, I'm not inclined to apologize for them or make invalid comparisons equating them and us. As long as they are willing to attack me and mine, I want them destroyed, not accommodated.

  By the way, get yourself a spell checker and use better grammar or readers might think you are stupid.

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