What a stupid idea, but then it's coming from Horne so it's hardly a surprise. We couldn't just do something simple and cheap like giving teachers some high-powered pepper spray that they could just wear on their lanyards with their IDs at all times? We couldn't just pass out some tasers to administrators? No, we've got to introduce lethal force to the campus and keep it in a lock box. The accidental deaths will easily exceed the lives saved, or it will do no good at all. I suspect the latter (and so does Tom Horny I'll bet).
valleynativeposted at 8:19 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
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Handing out pepper spray or tasers would increase your school taxes. The citizens are too stupid to allow that.
Why do you assume that there will be accidental deaths? Do you think that owning a handgun makes you incredibly stupid or irresponsible? If so, you watch too much TV. There are many retired military in schools. There are some teachers who compete in handgun competitions and train far more than police officers.
valleynativeposted at 8:38 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
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I guess I should also point out that if there's a maniac with a gun at the other side of a school hallway, neither pepper spray nor a taser is going to do anybody any good.
Horne is an idiot. Nobody, repeat, NOBODY with just 24 hours of "training" is qualified to use deadly force in a school setting. The thing most of the lunatics seem to be denying is that every gun on campus is a potential threat to law enforcement, until each and every one is identified or neutraulized. Many of these potential lawmen, and women, have no training and no concept of combat shooting nor what it is like to kill another human. It's a dumb idea, but coming from a lifetime politician, it's not surprising.
valleynativeposted at 4:40 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
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People hear about this and seem to picture every teacher on campus being handed a gun. The reality, if that interests you at all, is that it's extremely unlikely that anybody would be allowed to bring a gun onto campus unless they had had much more than the minimum training and experience.
Also, the minimum is not 24 hours. It's 24 hours plus additional marksmanship training and scenario-based training.
And finally, there's a tendency to think of "24 hours of training" as "one day of training". The reality is that it's more likely 4 or 5 days, and is considerably more than is required for a concealed weapon permit.
Ivanna posted at 6:18 pm on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.
What a stupid idea, but then it's coming from Horne so it's hardly a surprise. We couldn't just do something simple and cheap like giving teachers some high-powered pepper spray that they could just wear on their lanyards with their IDs at all times? We couldn't just pass out some tasers to administrators? No, we've got to introduce lethal force to the campus and keep it in a lock box. The accidental deaths will easily exceed the lives saved, or it will do no good at all. I suspect the latter (and so does Tom Horny I'll bet).
soricobob posted at 4:58 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
This could give "time out" a whole new meaning!
valleynative posted at 8:19 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
Handing out pepper spray or tasers would increase your school taxes. The citizens are too stupid to allow that.
Why do you assume that there will be accidental deaths? Do you think that owning a handgun makes you incredibly stupid or irresponsible? If so, you watch too much TV.
There are many retired military in schools. There are some teachers who compete in handgun competitions and train far more than police officers.
valleynative posted at 8:38 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
I guess I should also point out that if there's a maniac with a gun at the other side of a school hallway, neither pepper spray nor a taser is going to do anybody any good.
downtownresident posted at 12:47 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
Horne is an idiot.
Nobody, repeat, NOBODY with just 24 hours of "training" is qualified to use deadly force in a school setting.
The thing most of the lunatics seem to be denying is that every gun on campus is a potential threat to law enforcement, until each and every one is identified or neutraulized.
Many of these potential lawmen, and women, have no training and no concept of combat shooting nor what it is like to kill another human.
It's a dumb idea, but coming from a lifetime politician, it's not surprising.
valleynative posted at 4:40 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.
People hear about this and seem to picture every teacher on campus being handed a gun. The reality, if that interests you at all, is that it's extremely unlikely that anybody would be allowed to bring a gun onto campus unless they had had much more than the minimum training and experience.
Also, the minimum is not 24 hours. It's 24 hours plus additional marksmanship training and scenario-based training.
And finally, there's a tendency to think of "24 hours of training" as "one day of training". The reality is that it's more likely 4 or 5 days, and is considerably more than is required for a concealed weapon permit.