A veteran state lawmaker said Monday that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik is at least partly responsible for Saturday's shooting that left six dead and 14 injured.
"How is it that a U.S. congressman can hold an event and there's no law enforcement?'' asked Rep. Jack Harper, R-Surprise. "He should have had a deputy at that event.''
Harper said it is irrelevant whether U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was conducting a "Congress on Your Corner'' event at the Foothills Mall, requested security or even formally notified the sheriff's department about it.
"It was his jurisdiction for law enforcement,'' Harper said.
"He is passing the buck,'' Harper continued. "He has not done his job and he is blaming others.''
Harper was not the only one lashing out at the sheriff.
Sen. Al Melvin, R-Tucson, took particular offense to some comments made by Dupnik both about the ability of any adult to carry a concealed weapon and well as his conclusion that Arizona has "become the mecca of prejudice and bigotry.''
Melvin said "the Left'' is trying to make the shooting into a political issue.
"It's a mental disorder problem,'' the senator said. "And I think the sheriff of Pima County ought to stop and think about that one a little bit.''
Melvin said Dupnik's job is to investigate the shooting.
"Leave the political commentary alone and let's have prayer and not politics, at least for a little while,'' Melvin said.
A press aide for Dupnik said he would not respond, saying he was too busy with other interviews. No one from Giffords' office was available to say whether she had asked for security or even formally informed the sheriff's department of the event.
The shooting has raised various questions about both Arizona's gun laws and what some have said is overheated political rhetoric that can inflame those who are not mentally stable.
Dupnik, a Democrat, stepped in the middle of that battle, pointing to a change in Arizona law just last year that allows any adult to carry a concealed weapon.
Arizona always has allowed people to have weapons as long as they were visible. Those that sought to have them under a coat or in a purse had to get a state permit which required a background check as well as get training.
That requirement disappeared last summer.
"I have never been a proponent of letting everybody in this state carry weapons under any circumstances that they want,'' Dupnik said this weekend in the wake of the shooting. "And that's almost where we are.''
The sheriff also weighed in on the level of political discourse.
"The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous,'' he said. "Unfortunately, Arizona, I think has become sort of the capital.''
Melvin said those kind of comments are inappropriate.
"He's from the Democratic Party and he's trying to score some political points here,'' Melvin said.
"His job is to solve the criminal case, not to get involved in flaming the fire here,'' he continued. "He's throwing gasoline here on a very volatile situation and, out of respect for the dead and the wounded, just do his job and solve the case and leave the political discourse, give it a rest.''
Harper's criticism of Dupnik appears to be focused more on the sheriff's comments about concealed weapons.
The legislator was a key supporter of last year's measure to eliminate the requirement to obtain a state permit to carry a concealed weapon.
"He is singling out the bill,'' Harper said of the sheriff's comments about letting anyone have a hidden weapon.
"In fact, it was his jurisdiction for law enforcement,'' Harper continued. "He should have had a law enforcement officer there.''
This year, Harper is sponsoring legislation to let faculty and students at state universities who still decide to get a permit -- it remains an option -- to carry their concealed guns onto campus.
Newly elected Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery, a Republican like Harper and Melvin, also waded into the controversy.
In a prepared statement Monday , Montgomery did not refer to Dupnik or anyone else. But he called it "equally unwise and premature to try and draw systemic solutions'' from this single incident.
"The more responsible course of action is to wait until all available information has been evaluated before we determine what, if anything, could be done from a system response standpoint to prevent a recurrence of this kind of tragedy,'' Montgomery said. "However, the unfortunate reality is that if an individual single-mindedly commits themselves to a criminal action, there is little anyone can do to stop it.''
soricobob posted at 5:48 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
I wonder if Senator Harper has a police officer at his events? And does the county pay for it?
disgusted posted at 7:06 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
The Sheriff just very simply stated what a vast majority of people have known, that certain elements of ALL political parties have fueled the fire of HATE, INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY and that individuals that are not mentally stable will absorb and "take to heart" what they have heard and that it will fester and grow until they do something horrific such as Saturday's tragedy!!!
I for one found it refreshing to hear someone in a "position of power" speak honestly and heart-felt about what had taken place! I wonder, have ANY of these "elected officials" EVER had to be one of the first responders to a MURDER scene, or to be the one to personnally go and tell a PARENT that THEIR BABY is DEAD???? I doubt it!!! I do speak with some knowledge, my husband, in his last year of service in the Army, had to notify 3 FAMILIES that their child WOULD NOT be coming HOME!!! ALL of them supported their childs decision to SERVE and ALL knew the RISKS, but that DOES NOTHING to EASE the DEVESTATION!! Now, can you even imagine how horrendous it is to be the first to see a precious child, who simply wanted to meet a lady who had attained elected office, laying on the ground mortally wounded?? Or to have to be the one to tell her Mommy and Daddy??? I would not wish that on ANYONE!!! Yet our Sheriff's, Police Officers and ALL others who SERVE our Cities, Towns, State's and NATION come face-to-face with that EVERY DAY!!! And ANY Law Enforcement Officer or Soldier who is in their profession honorably will tell you that the last thing they want to EVER do is to FIRE THEIR WEAPON!!! THEY know it is NOT something that is without life changing cosequences, not just for them and their target, but affects EVERYONE!!!
Patriotic posted at 7:31 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Unfortunately for us here in Az. we have a jerk like Dupnik apologizing for Az. like our president Obama does for the entire USA. Both are jerks and liberal/ socialist progressives, a problem in itself. Dupnik should be doing his job not fueling the fire. FIRE the buffoon.
hillstreet posted at 7:59 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Besides being a moron, Harper is a hypocrite. He wants guns on campus, but did u know guns are not allowed at the Legislature?
Arizona Educator posted at 8:21 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Such hypocrisy and dishonesty from so many. They condone Arpaio and criticize Dupnik.
Widedog posted at 8:24 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
If "It's a mental disorder problem,'' then it is still political.
If we had single-payer (Medicare-for-all) health insurance then this guy's mental illness would have been identified and treated.
rrffcc1 posted at 8:48 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Mr. Harper,
In my opinion, you haven't earned the right to tell a long-time professional law enforcement officer and decision maker how to do his job.
The Sheriff has made several good points. There are instructions you and your Party could give your talking heads, PACs and others who do your bidding that could tone things down quite a lot. If you won't give those directions, why not?
oatka01 posted at 8:54 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Jared Loughner did everything but send up flares, yet no one intervened. Right up until the moment he pulled the trigger, if someone had tried to put him away, the Civil Rights groups would have been screaming like mad.
He had been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County - the staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County.
Yet the media blames the Right?
RobertFuji posted at 8:56 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
This state becoming so full of whack-jobs. The Sheriff is right.
Most educated people will agree that guns are a real problem. I don't want some student or teacher bringing a gun into their school like these politicians would want. But then perhaps many of these semi-literate people don't even care if their kids get a decent education as long as they can shoot a gun well!!
Perhaps when something like this tragedy affects the families of these politicians they might reconsider what they are doing to this society. I'm not hopeful because they are so beholden to the gun lobby that they are more likely to remain mute.
I don't want these gun-toting idiots to demand a right to enter my business premises.
May be it is time to move my business out of this state. Hope these Republicans can then inbreed some more and stay "free" with their guns
randalland posted at 8:59 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
I think what would make Mr. Harper and Mr. Pearce happy is we will all arm ourselves, eliminate half of the Arizona population and then they can balance the budget they messed up to begin with on only half the number of residents. For Mr. Pearce, we'll make sure we get rid all of the brown people first.
DLC IN PHX posted at 9:08 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
politics as useual, no resonibilty taken for what has been said an
done, the people running this state are an embarrassment.
Butters posted at 9:08 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
I see that the liberal smokeblowers are out in force. Not a single one of the treehuggers or the pretend cop have made mention of the fact that Sheriff Dupnick's department has arrested and dealt with the shooting suspect on many other occassions. What should be asked and answered is why the Pima County SO didn't do more to get this guy into the mental health system and have him monitored by the court. No doubt that Dupnick is very worried about the forthcoming lawsuit that will most likely cost his department and Pima County a lot of money. Dupnick is not serving the public, he is trying to cover his backside by wagging the dog.
Butters posted at 9:10 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Robert Fuji, please feel free to relocate you little hot dog cart to another state and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
hillstreet posted at 9:12 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
In addition to being a wacko, Harper is a hypocrite. Did u know that carrying guns is not allowed at the Legislature?
Butters posted at 9:47 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Hillstreet, wack job, pretend cops like you shouldn't be allowed to carry guns.
wgauthority posted at 10:09 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
The question that I have about Dupnik is, after all the supposed contacts that law enforcement had with the shooter, why wasn't he reported to the FBI, so his name would come up as a disallowed when the NICS background check was run. I understand that he runs his department by his own rules and doesn't enforce the letter of the law, see SB1070, but the death and destruction caused by this blunder falls right on his doorstep!
duncef posted at 10:36 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
The man who wrote on the daily kos that gifford was dead to him because she did not vote for pelosi had recently attempted suicide by shooting himself.He lived in dupniks jurisdiction so i have to wonder if dupnik has also failed to disarm this man who is even dangerous to himself.The police were called 5 times on the murderer yet when he purchased a gun he had no criminal record and though kicked out college there was no psych evaluation. Surely this was bush or palins fault?
smarter1 posted at 10:47 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
It has become obvious that relying upon systems of procedure are not infallible. People fall through the cracks every day. Perhaps a bigger problem is in too much reliance upon our agencies to solve our problems and protect citizens. Perhaps the real problem is the individual's failure to pay attention to those around him and do whatever he can to deter unacceptable behavior. This nation is undergoing a major re-education of its foundational values, hopefully to gain a truer perspective of how to deal with that more peaceably than ranting and raving like a 2 year old or shooting someone else. It is time to restore some sense and dignity in how we relate to each other.
Butters posted at 10:49 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Wgaauthority, Homeland Security had him on their "ACTIVE" watchlist. This is the same HSA that had knowledge of the bomber from Africa but still allowed him to board a plane to the USA, the same plane he attempted to blow up on a Detroit airport runway on Christmas day, 2009.
rrjenn posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Hill, having guns in the legislature or congress wouldn't be acceptable in the same way it wouldn't be acceptable in a bar. Ok, they do allow guns in bars but you have to be non drinking to carry one. There will always be heated arguments in the legislature and court rooms where we obviously need to ban guns. Colleges would not fall under this category. There's no good reason for guns to be banned there. It's just the pseudo intellectual professors that think guns actually kill people. All it does in make colleges a good place find victims who cannot defend themselves. Being a pretend cop as you are I would have thought you would know at least that much. Remember, when seconds count, pretend cops like hill are only minutes away.
About guns. FBI statistics show that there is a direct negative correlation between increased gun sales and decreased violent attacks. The more guns people buy, the less likely they are to be attacked violently, so you people need to get educated and stop blaming guns.
Sheriff Dumbdick initially made statements condemning Conservatives for the Shooting Spree by and anti-Christian, anti-Constitution, left-wing, pro-Marx, anti-flag, “quite liberal” lunatic. Sheriff Dumbdick went on to blame Arizona’s prejudice and bigotry for Shooting of U.S. Rep Giffords by Jared Lee Loughner. Do you suppose he was talking about Arizona democrats? No, he was talking about Arizona Republicans who are at work trying to get the illegal alien situation under control, which is something he disagrees with and has stated many times. Later statements he went on to say how all parties are responsible for the vitriolic statements causing this to happen. Come on people, when in our history has there not been a lot of vitriolic arguing going on?
Sheriff Dumbdick is plenty worried about a lawsuit. His office has had a lot of contact with this nut, and the SO didn't nothing to prevent the nut from being able to easily buy a gun at a gun store, and I wouldn't doubt it if one or more of the victims decides to sue the county. I know I would, and I'd name Sheriff Dumbdick as the chief dumbdick responsible.
papa123 posted at 11:17 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
How would the Sheriff know about the event if he wasn't notified? thats so stupid. veteran lawmaker my a... Attempting to place blame on someone improperly, obviously a smear. very immature for a lawmaker to make comments like that. if there was a request for security I don't believe the sheriff's office would ignore it. Im no fan of that sheriff for placing blame on bigotry, unless he was referring to how the Obama admin called everyone in AZ racist. This so highlights why America is so messed up. Bearing false witness against thy neighbor is one of the biggest problems in America today, and this lawmaker isn't helping. America is slowly but surely falling apart because of it.
reddi27 posted at 11:46 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
I'm sick of everyone blaming everyone else. It's about time we brought civility and respect back. Stop demonizing people who don't agree with you. We are all people and we all have our opinions, but that is no reason to spout hate about "the other side".
az2008 posted at 11:50 am on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
It's amazing how Republicans politicized the cheapening and demeaning of founding revolutionary principles and patriotism. (I.e., "taxation without representation" became nothing more than "representation I don't agree with"). Threats of political violence were pandered to just for political gain.
Now they're trying to say it's everyone else who's pandering to political gain.
rrjenn posted at 12:04 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
In an official e-mail to the University of California at Berkeley campus community, chancellor Robert Birgeneau said that it was no “coincidence” that Saturday’s tragic shooting of Ariz. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others at a public event in Tucson occurred in a state that recently enacted what he suggested was a discriminatory immigration law.
Huh? Is he talking about discrimination against illegal aliens?
“Such a brutal and violent attack on an individual who has devoted herself to public service is deeply regrettable. It calls upon us as an academic community to stop and ponder the climate in which such an act can be contemplated, even by a mind that is profoundly disturbed,” Birgeneau said in his e-mail. “A climate in which demonization of others goes unchallenged and hateful speech is tolerated can lead to such a tragedy. I believe that it is not a coincidence that this calamity has occurred in a state which has legislated discrimination against undocumented persons.”
Ohhhhhhh, I get it now. It was because we want to deport all those wonderful undocumented persons. Of course he must not have been told that the official lefty line is that Palin was responsible.
rrjenn posted at 12:11 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
az2008,
go to this site and checkout how the lefty MSNBC host Ed Schultz talks about violence to conservatives and then tell me about how violent the republicans are.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/01/10/schultz-suggests-fox-news-foments-violence
An example of his non-violent rhetoric: “To hell with the Republicans! They’re anti-American! They’re psycho talkers! They don’t care!...Harry [Reid], you are ball-less! You won’t do the nuke option for the American people and shove the Republicans into the ditch! Shove those bastards right into the dirthole! This is about power! It’s about winning!”
— Ed Schultz on The Ed Schultz Show, July 14, 2010.
Of course we all know it's always the FOX network that is responsible for all the violent rhetoric. lol you leftys are the most violent people on this planet.
wgauthority posted at 12:30 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Butters, this wouldn't be the same HSA that recently declared the Mexican border to be more secure than it has ever been, or the same people at TSA that stole a $400 camera out of my luggage at Sky Harbor 3 weeks ago would it? Talk about "no inter-agency communication", and trustworthy government agencies! Its all CYA.
Thinkabout it posted at 12:35 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Guns don't kille people - PEOPLE use them to kill people. Before this attack the gun was sitting at home - just an object. ANYONE who owns a gun needs to be responsible and keep it under lock and key from their kids! People are insane! I believe in the right to be armed - but bring back the law that makes background checks MANDATORY to carry concealed and add to it for any who carry open to have to take the class also! You want a gun - take a class and go through a background check. Of course this doesn't weed out the kids of parents who have access to their parents guns. That is another issue! The parents of this killer need to be held responsible for their son having access to the gun.
FYI - If you want to kill someone, a gun is a convience but not neccesary, if you do it right you can kill anyone with almost anything. Think about it...
EmperorSmith posted at 1:04 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Every gun I have purchased I went through a back ground check. Except for the ones I inherited. Went through the CCW class. Point is guns are in hands of criminals and always will be so making laws against only effects law abiding citizens not criminals or nut jobs.
az2008 posted at 1:07 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
rrjenn, I agree that Republicans have lowered the level of acceptable discussion the past 2-3 years. The results are similar to what happened after the 1994 "Republican Revolution." If you want to blame a handful of Dems for sinking to the level Republicans sank to, that's fine with me. I agree and condemn it.
The real issue, IMO, is that it wasn't Dems who pandered to and validated an angry mob who misappropriated founding rhetoric and passions. That mob converted "taxation without representation" (a very specific meaning, that you can't vote for your representatives) into "representation I don't agree with." From that self-serving basis they justified armed violent.
Rs pandered to this margin of society. Just like they did in 1993-1995. Crazy people were affected then, as now.
It's not just Loughner. Do we have to be reminded of Byron Williams who shot police and said he planned to attack to liberal organizations? His mother said he was unhappy with (cue the Right Wing talking point:) Democrats pushing their socialist agenda down everyone's throats.
I think that's the point Republicans want to obfuscate. They pandered to the margins of society. Validated political violence through misplaced, self-serving "patriotism." They did all this for political gain. But, now that anyone points it out... Republicans scream "politicizing an unrelated tragedy!"
NotFondOfLibs posted at 2:42 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
If Sheriff Dufus, er, Dupnik thinks Arizona is the mecca for prejudice and bigotry, why didn't he have at least one deputy at Gabrielle Giffords function last Saturday. It seems reasonable that if an Arizona Congress man/woman is in town to hold an event, law enforcement has the responsibility to provide a presence at that event. For those who disagree, put yourself in the position of the elected representative and decide whether you want to greet the public without one shred of protection. Maybe if Dupnik had sent even 1 deputy sheriff last Saturday, we wouldn't be grieving for 6 murdered people, including a 9 year old girl and 13 wounded people including a United States Representative.
rrjenn posted at 3:05 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
az2008
You agree that Republicans have lowered the level of acceptable discussion the past 2-3 years? I could go back much further than the ed show to show you plenty of violent rhetoric on the lefts side as well as the right.
Republicans pander to this margin of society? Are you really so delusional as that?
Remember John Hinckley, Jr? Remember any republicans blaming the left for causing the attempted assassination of President Reagan? No, because they saw a nut as a nut and nothing anyone could have said could have changed this nut to be anything but a nut.
Your thesis that republicans or conservatives are alone responsible for the vitriolic atmosphere we live in today is delusional at best. The left is at least half responsible. In any case, this blaming of cross hairs on maps and strong language is ridicules. This nut was a self made nut and no one but he is responsible for his actions any more than someone else was responsible for John Hinckley, Jr's attempt on Reagan's life. I wonder what John Hinckley, Jr's mother had to say about why he shot Reagan? Saying republicans pandered to the margins of society is like me trying to tell you that democrats pander to communist sympathizers. On second thought, maybe democrats do pander to Communists since they sure do seem to be pushing for socialism in as many facets of our society as they can.
rrjenn posted at 3:18 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
az2008
You say "an angry mob who misappropriated founding rhetoric and passions. That mob converted "taxation without representation" (a very specific meaning, that you can't vote for your representatives) into "representation I don't agree with." From that self-serving basis they justified armed violent."
I've been to many tea party events and never have I heard any rhetoric that came anywhere near violence. I defy you to point to one you have personally seen for yourself. The only violent acts that I've seen personally were from the left? Many democrats have attempted to paint the tea party as violent, but they can never point to any proof that the tea party engaged in any violent acts. Please show us if you can show us how the tea party has committed any acts of violence or inspired anyone to violence.
The tea party's main argument is that the federal government is stepping on states rights and that it should be changed back to what the US Constitution says it should be.
rrjenn posted at 3:35 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Violent Liberal Hate Rhetoric:
"A spoiled child (Bush) is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here's your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [audio sound of 4 gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little b*stard. [audio of gun being cocked]." -- A "humor bit" from the Randi Rhodes Show
"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health" -- New York city councilman Charles Barron
"..And then there's Rumsfeld who said of Iraq 'We have our good days and our bad days.' We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days' and pull the trigger." -- From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club
"I believe in ecoterrorism." -- James Cameron
"...In an ideal world, American consumers could be convinced to do the right thing through an appeal to logic with public service messages like the 'What Would Jesus Drive?' TV campaign, but the kind of people who would buy a car that increases the risk to other motorists in an accident can't be reasoned with. They're selfish and stupid. It's unfortunate that drivers must worry that their SUVs are being targeted by insulting stickers and Molotov cocktails, but one thing's for sure: It couldn't be happening to a more deserving group of people." -- Ted Rall winks at ecoterrorism
"F*** G*d D*mned Joe the G*d D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead." -- Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air.
"Republicans don't believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don't give a hoot about human beings, either can't or won't. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm." -- The Village Voice's Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places
(Rush Limbaugh)" just wants the country to fail. To me that's treason. He's not saying anything different than what Osama Bin Laden is saying. You might want to look into this, sir, because I think Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight. ... Rush Limbaugh, I hope the country fails, I hope his kidneys fail, how about that?" -- Wanda Sykes
"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?" -- Chris Matthews
"I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow....I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact." -- Bill Maher
"If I got (Condi Rice) a— on camera, I would put my Mars Air Jordans so far up her b*tt that the Mayo Clinic would have to remove them." -- Spike Lee
Charlie - "you know F--- it .... and George Bush wife? I'd F--- that b*tch to death" -- "Shock Jocks" Opie & Anthony talk rape & violence with their guest "Homeless Charlie."
"For those of you who do, as a matter of principle, oppose war in any form, the idea of supporting a conscientious objector who's already been inducted [and] in his combat service in Iraq might have a certain appeal. But let me ask you this: Would you render the same support to someone who hadn't conscientiously objected, but rather instead rolled a grenade under their line officer in order to neutralize the combat capacity of their unit?" -- University Professor Ward Churhill on supporting soldiers who frag their officers
"Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce." -- Liberal radio host, Mike Malloy
"I know how the 'tea party' people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their 'Obama Plan White Slavery' signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads." -- The Washington Post's Courtland Milloy
az2008 please show us the same hate from the right
rrjenn posted at 3:45 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
First he blames it all on Fox news: ED SCHULTZ: But in the wake of all of this, what are we teaching the next generation? Hell, we can't even communicate without yelling at one another. And you know what? I'm at fault. I admit it. I get passionate: but not in a violent way! And I believe that we have to say things on this show and we have to be honest. Because there's a lot of stuff, especially across the street [FNC is located on Sixth Ave., across the street from MSNBC at Rockefeller Center] that is not the truth, that is embellished to the point where it might make somebody think that doing something radical is the right thing to do.
Did he lie? You be the judge.
“You’re d@mn right, Dick Cheney’s heart’s a political football. We ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him. I’m glad he didn’t tip over....How come Dick Cheney’s health care isn’t being dropped? Do you realize that if you had five heart attacks — h*ll, you wouldn’t get past two heart attacks and they’d dump you. But, because you’re a war criminal, and because you are on the take from Haliburton and you had these executive meetings in 2001 back in the, you know, the days of the rolling blackouts and executive privilege on how we’re going to develop energy policy in this country, you do stuff like that — hell, you can get the best health care on the face of the earth.” — Ed Schultz on The Ed Schultz Show, February 24, 2010.
“To h*ll with the Republicans! They’re anti-American! They’re psycho talkers! They don’t care!...Harry [Reid], you are ball-less! You won’t do the nuke option for the American people and shove the Republicans into the ditch! Shove those b@stards right into the dirthole! This is about power! It’s about winning!”
— Ed Schultz on The Ed Schultz Show, July 14, 2010.
az2008 posted at 6:13 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
rrjenn: "I've been to many tea party events and never have I heard any rhetoric that came anywhere near violence."
You're not being serious. Everyone remembers the signs about "we came unarmed... this time" and "Second Amendment solutions." Or, Rick Barber's video stroking pistols, talking about defending the constitution with his life, and depicting the founding fathers agreeing with him that it is time for armed revolt.
I know so-called "Tea Party" who wouldn't overtly say those things to just anyone. But, they talk that way to each other. Agreeing with it.
Rs pandered to this marginal base. Inflaming it with subtexted slogans and images. There was very little condemnation of it. When Rs like Lindsey Graham condemned it, they threatened him.
If you guys want to back away from the insurrectionst rhetoric, that's fine. I welcome it. But, it doesn't change the fact that the so-called "Tea Party" ripped a founding slogan from it's context. Converting "taxation without representation" into nothing more than self-serving "representation I don't agree with."
That's where Rs went wrong. They should have worked to educate that marginal group of society rather than validating them that they had *anything* in common with the founders and their reasons for vandalism and armed revolt.
The Duck posted at 6:35 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
The "LEFT" shur has it right... The gun is the problem.. Not the person behind it. Lets take all the guns and lock them up.
And the "TEA PARTY'. Wow. guess it is their fault also. So, it must be that the guns and the tea party that caused all of this.
What a bunch of nut cases. When will people learn to see that it is "PEOPLE" that cause problems. Take away the guns and next on the list will be baseball bats.
Get your heads up and out of the hole they have been stuck in.
PEOPLE are the cause of everything, not objects.
If this nut case had use a kitchen knife, would there be talk about banning knives at the dinner table?
WAKE UP
rrjenn posted at 8:55 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
az2008 you keep talking about these marginal groups as though they were the base of the republican party when they fact is that the bulk of middle American both backs the republican party and the tea party movement. Where did you see those signs everyone is supposed to remember? I've never seen them. I have seen some of the fake pictures that were attributed to the tea party, but never have I personally seen anything that advocated violence by REAL tea party people at any of the rallies I've attended. If anyone attended a rally with a sign that did, we would ask them to leave now. I saw some racist Nazi idiots try to blend in but we ran them off. The only violence I've seen lately was fomented by the left against peaceable tea party people.
rrjenn posted at 9:02 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
"Hey Abe," Barber asks. "If someone is forced to work for months to pay taxes so that a total stranger can get a free meal, medical procedure or a bailout, what's that called? What's it called when one man is forced to work for another?" What is it called az2008?
His call to arms was just about an electoral call to arms but I'm sure many of you tax the rich communistas will say it's a call for revolution. Your beloved socialism is just another way to enslave the people.
darren posted at 9:15 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
Why is it when tragic things like this happen we have people (idiots) want to blame everyone who didnt do the unspeakable deed. Rather than seeing that this was an individual act of a bent piece of ----, And know that these type of people exists, always have , always will, as history shows. I am sickened by what this individual has done and the pain he has caused. Allow the families to mourn in peace without making this a political issue. Justice with be served. Protests, blaming , does nothing . Things like this will happen , it shows in the human race, is it right ? NO, but you cant read the mind of a crazy person can you?. Try him, put him down, then wait for the next asshole who wants attention, hope you not there. Be vigilant , and aware, thats going to be our only protection. We will save each other as those brave people did the best they could in Tucson. I feel for the victims and the families, Just let them mourn in peace.
Carolyn posted at 7:48 am on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
Harper and Melvin - two more examples of non-thinkers among Arizona right-wing (and national) Republican pieces of c**p. You right-wing bloggers are further examples of the same.
DLC IN PHX posted at 9:35 am on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
the repbubs. will never admit any wrong doing,some still beleave Bush did not lie us into war or did destory our economy.They also
know if this shooting was linked to them they would'nt have a
chance in 2012...
rrjenn posted at 11:38 am on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
DLC, politics is being played on both sides here. When the demrats were hanging Bush in effigy you didn't hear us complain, but every time a repub criticizes Obama they call us racists. When the federal building in OK was bombed, the demrats and Clinton said it because repub rhetoric. Demrats never let a crisis go unexploited. Now when this nut kills a few people you guys are trying once again to say it's all due to repub rhetoric when you know demrats are just as guilty.
There goes Carolyn whining and whimpering again. Poor old Carolyn just can't stand the repubs. TOO F*CKING BAD!
rrjenn posted at 11:46 am on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
The Duck
You are correct about the left. In England, the left has messed things up so bad that it's illegal to carry any kind of knife. They banned guns so everyone started using knives. Of course, baseball bats were already a controlled substance. The left wont be happy until we are all neatly tucked away in our own private little cages so they can finally feel safe. There are no freedoms they aren't more than willing to give up to achieve this end.
Slabside posted at 2:14 pm on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
This is for the liberal shill DLC IN PHX:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
-Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
-Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
-Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weaponsprograms. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a
real and grave threat to our security."
-Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do"
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical
warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
DLC IN PHX posted at 4:15 pm on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
Hey rrjenn i said some repub's, not the smart ones! sooo rush,
beck, and 2/3 of the teabagers(repub's) arent racists?
slabside BUSH is the war criminal face the facts!!
oh ya your pic. of your gun is SCARRY.....................
thanks for making point GUYS p.s. palin taking to mush.......
Madea56 posted at 6:29 pm on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
I live in Texas but that Sheriff Dupnik was only trying to make a name for himself.My dad was a captain in the Department of Public Safety for 35 years and then became a Texas Ranger,my cousin is the Chief Justice for Texas.Their jobs are to serve and protect they cannot express an opinion or personal feelings.This Sheriff has blood on his hands this young man should have been picked up along time ago and evaluated for mental disorders and then he wouldn't have been able to buy a gun.This Sheriff's job was to simply protect and serve and not give his opinion or diagnos this young man.I suggest you get a real Sheriff for Pima County like Sheriff Joe,and get rid of this idiot you guys have.
DLC IN PHX posted at 8:13 pm on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
slabside the fact is Iraq did not have WMD's Bush & Chainy went
in for the resoucres, so the adult is doing the name calling over
the inernets? that takes WAVOS!!
DLC IN PHX posted at 8:24 pm on Wed, Jan 12, 2011.
ya i kwon i spelled wavos wrong.
I got the inernets one from a president..............
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