Arizona's immigration law gets its day in U.S. Supreme Court

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• Dale Whiting posted at 2:16 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

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  Leon,

  I know you are passionate about SB1070 and illegal immigration. But take a step back and reflect on that this article says, divorsing yourself from your passions for the moment. Like it or not, SB1070 is toast, a 100 to 1 shot. It's not really about law enforcement. It's about federal pre-emption. The Feds get to decide if and how to enforce federal laws. And the states may not pass laws stepping to Federal toes. Immigration law is 100% Federal law and 0% State law. Tom Horne knows this but he's pandering to the likes of you. Jan Brewer may not know this but she knows to pander, too.

  So if you want stronger Federal enforcement, you need to elect those who will enforce those laws to suit you.

  Now, understand this. Since this is a minor campain issue for 2012, there will be some rhetoric spilled on the topic of immigration law enforcement. That Mesa nut case, Wil Cardon, is spilling a heck of a lot of it. But Senators do not make law enforcement decisions. Cardon is courting your support when, as a Senator, he would have nothting whatsoever to do with making enforcement decisions. That decision making is 100% with the executive branch. So the only way you will get laws enforced your way is to run for president yourself and then get elected. Not much chance of that. And don't make the mistake of believing that Romney will serve your desires. I think you already know this!

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• samkat posted at 8:21 pm on Sat, Apr 21, 2012.

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  There are other ways Arizona skin the cat. We still have control over our state tax laws and their enforcement. The feds do not have control over that domain. All the state has to do is to audit employers to ensure they and their employees are completing and submitting the proper tax forms as well as the proper tax deductions. Spot audits can be performed on employee social security numbers. When irregularities are noted, the employer and the employee can be charged with tax evasion, perjury and a host of other charges. Once the felony conviction is in place, the feds have to take some action. There are other rights the states have that can accomplish the same thing. Once the employers get the message, the exodus will begin.

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• Rational Human posted at 3:19 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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  A pro-Arizona decision would be a legal and political setback for Obama, who has criticized the state's law and vowed to push for immigration legislation (amnesty) if re-elected on November 6. A decision against Arizona would deal a blow to Romney, who has said the government should drop its challenge to the law.

  Americans generally support immigration laws like Arizona's and are ambivalent about the federal and state roles at the core of the case, a new Reuters / Ipsos opinion poll found. About 70 percent of those surveyed favored state laws that let police check a person's immigration status and make it a crime for an illegal immigrant to work in the United States; about 30 percent opposed such measures.

  A decision favoring illegal migrants would be a major blow to America and Americans of all races. If they rule against Arizona as Mr conservative Dale hopes, we might as well just give up and open the borders completely and allow the New World Order to take over. Goodbye US sovereignty, hello United Nations. Some will try to say that federal preemptive rules, but that is pure horse pucky. No where in the constitution does it say that a state cannot enforce federal laws. Arizona law does not attempt to regulate immigration, which is a role that belongs exclusively to the federal government. All Arizona law does is to give our cops the right and tools to help enforce immigration laws, and the Supreme Court will see this and rule SB1070 as constitutional. It is not an invitation or direction to police to engage in racial profiling as some will argue as the law forbids race to be considered when determining if a person is here legally whereas the federal law does allow race to be considered. I really doubt the majority of conservative judges will just throw the doors open to this invasion.

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• Rational Human posted at 3:24 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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  Hooray for the Obamanation! Here's the Obamanation's new jobs initiative.

  While the president has been pretending to urge on “insourcing,” the government has been quietly sending money to the Philippines to train foreign workers for jobs in English-speaking call centers.

  Imagine that, our own federal government doing that.

  According to New York Democratic Rep. Tim Bishop and North Carolina Republican Rep. Walter Jones, this is unacceptable and “shocking.”

  The pair are calling on the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to immediately suspend what is known as the Job Enabling English Proficiency (JEEP) program.

  Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/20/usaid-training-foreign-workers-for-english-speaking-jobs/#ixzz1soJhrG1c
  

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• Rational Human posted at 3:32 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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  Unfortunately samkat, many illegal migrants are staying and working under the table. Not only do they not pay taxes but they send large remittances back to their native country and continue to milk social services dry. Anyone who thinks any federal government will ever enforce the immigration laws already on the books is dreaming (Dale). It's time for states to take back the power that the feds have illegally taken from us. A bigger federal government is a less efficient government. Government always works best at the local level. Look at any country where they have a all powerful centralized government and I'll show you a failed socialist dream (Dale)

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• Masterrogue666 posted at 10:20 pm on Sun, Apr 22, 2012.

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  Sound's like "Dale's" God has been busy stabbing the American people in the back...

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• Accuracy posted at 11:23 am on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

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  Just like Arizona employer-sanctions HB 2162 law (which penalizes businesses that knowingly hire “illegal immigrants”) that the U.S. Supreme Court concluded is constitutional. The High Court will hear arguments Wednesday in the Obama's challenge of Arizona’s SB 1070 immigration law (also known as the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act).

  The Obama administration has challenged Arizona on the grounds that its immigration law was a flagrant state overreach – even though S.B. 1070 does not impose its own substantive immigration standards, but simply uses state resources to enforce federal rules.

  Arizona is arguing that it is not exceeding or violating federal law, simply helping enforce it. And the effects of Arizona’s SB 1070 immigration law have rippled across the nation thus far.
  
  The High Court’s decision will have nationwide implications.
  Several other states, including Utah, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Indiana, have followed Arizona's lead in implementing their own individually tailored immigration laws. “HB497 in Utah”, which is an Arizona-style immigration enforcement law stands in direct contrast to the “Utah Compact”.
  

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• Rational Human posted at 1:38 pm on Mon, Apr 23, 2012.

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  Wasn't all that long ago that Dale and his minions were saying there was absolutely no chance of the US Supreme Court choosing to even hear this case, and now he's saying it doesn't stand a 100-1 chance of winning? If that were even remotely true they wouldn't have bothered with it. This is such an important juncture in America's future as a sovereign country that the Supreme Court would be foolish to ignore it's profound implications and choose to open the flood gates like so many of Dale's progressive socialist buddies hope for. They wish the same for America as any of the terrorist groups around the world hope for. They hope for the destruction of The United States of America and the creation of the good old United Socialist States America. After they take down America and move to create the North American Union they will well on their way to taking over the world under one huge centralized communist dictatorship.

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