East Valley organizers have formed a group to oppose state Sen. Russell Pearce, hoping to build momentum on a local level for a different approach to immigration and other key issues.
The East Valley Patriots for American Values say the state's voters have disagreed with Pearce on education and state spending, but that the Mesa Republican doesn't represent everyday people at the Capitol.
Brian Barabe said East Valley residents are more moderate than Pearce, the lawmaker behind SB 1070 and the next session's Senate president.
"As a group, we feel very strongly that Russell Pearce doesn't speak for the state and that's why we're doing this," Barabe said. "We think that there are other voices out there, more open-minded and conciliatory and that Russell Pearce doesn't speak for those people."
The group plans to stop what they call Pearce's "politics of fear, hatred and division." It will take a calm approach to issues rather than turning to confrontational tactics, said Barabe, a retired teacher who lives in Chandler.
They plan to launch their first major effort in early 2011 by drafting their own version of the Utah Compact, which business, community and religious leaders drafted as an alternative to Arizona's immigration law. It is a set of five broad principles that call for stronger federal enforcement, having local law enforcement focus on criminal behavior but not immigration law, and not allowing families to be broken up.
The group calls for a more civil conversation on immigration and other issues, said member Saul Solis of Mesa. Organizers will bring a Utah Compact-type document to East Valley cities and ask them to take symbolic votes in favor of the approach, the retired educator said.
Because courts are reviewing key provisions of Arizona's immigration law and could overturn those elements, Solis expects lawmakers will need to approve alternative laws. If organizers can get local elected officials to voice support for more moderate approaches, Solis said, lawmakers could feel more comfortable rejecting the ideas Pearce has promoted.
"We are going to pursue a spirit of collaboration, recognition and inclusion, and that is what is lacking," Solis said.
Solis noted that Pearce, in published comments, said the group favored immigration and would destroy the nation. Pearce did not return calls for comment.
Organizers acknowledged they'll face a tough battle on some issues, especially since polls show Arizonans broadly support SB 1070. But they say voters have gone against key issues Pearce has supported, including May's approval of a statewide sales tax. Also, voters in November defeated Proposition 302, which would have let lawmakers spend $324 million that is set aside for early childhood development. Barabe said even voters in Pearce's district broke ranks with him on both issues.
"Many people in his district don't go along with him, necessarily, on everything." Barabe said. "And we thought that was really significant."
The group spoke to Mesa's City Council last week, making its first public appearance but not asking for any action at the time. Councilman Dave Richins said the city's police department is on the front lines of immigration, but Mesa has no say in what the federal government or the Legislature does. He supports the Utah Compact but said he doesn't know if it's worth making a statement on the issue.
"I'm not going to pick a fight with the Legislature and I'm not going to pick a fight with Russell Pearce," Richins said.
Councilman Dennis Kavanaugh said several of his colleagues have spoken favorably of the compact and may want to weigh in. The Legislature has enacted many policies that hurt cities, he said, adding he can't imagine how the city's support of the compact could make things any worse. He welcomed the group's approach.
"We don't need to do the shouting. The tea party approach doesn't work on these particular issues: education, health care and immigration reform," Kavanaugh said. "I think there is some movement to their platform."
daniel posted at 12:30 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
It is wonderful to see common sense finally displayed. I am one of many who are tired of both sides speaking for "the American people". We are all different but we do have some common goals. This group is a great start. Hopefully some of the politicians will take some risk and counter the lack of common sense on both ends of thw spectrum.
Accuracy posted at 1:03 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
“East Valley Patriots for American Values forms to oppose Pearce's ideas”
Especially the Arizona employer-sanctions law before the US Supreme Court. The Arizona law, which was signed into law in 2007 by Janet Napolitano (then governor of Arizona), that punishes employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.
And, especially the new Arizona Law (SB 1070), which is the toughest anti-illegal immigration law in the nation.
e5282003 posted at 1:21 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
I would take it from their posture in their picture,thay are trying to portray a defensive attitude.
I may not agree with Pearce on all things,but the SB1070 is what most of Arizonans want and need to secure their future.
The money being spent on "illegals" is unbelievable.
The people that paid into our system through wages and taxes is being spent on those that did not contribute,and are benefiting while the ones that should benefit are being ignored.
This trio needs to only read their Police activity blotter to see where they should be directing their energy.
Our group is small but we will do what we can to protect what we worked so hard for all our lives.
I am part of a mixed race family and believe in,"do it,but do it legally" everyones' right to a better life ,but not at the expense of those that did it right and legally.
janicehneal posted at 1:57 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
It is certainly refreshing to see a group who is interested in really doing something instead of just spouting hate, like Limbaugh and Hannity, etc etc etc. Let's listen to what the other side has to say instead of blindly rattling on about our personal biases.
ram1009 posted at 2:16 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
Sounds to me like this group is more in favor of Mexican values.
If anything, Pearce's attitude is more subdued than most Arizonans regarding illegals. Pearce at least wants to pass laws. I believe most Arizonans would prefer to take matters into their own hands. It's getting easier every day to see who exactly is profiting from the slave labor of illegals. I'd say these folks are prime candidates.
abimopectore posted at 2:42 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
ram1009,
Can you explain and enlighten us to what these Mexican values this group is apparently embracing?
xcensusworker posted at 3:26 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
it is really a shame when when people say they are patriots when this is a nation of laws but they do not want any law enforced but what they agree with.that is not a patriot and they do not speak for those of us that have proven that we are
Mesa Mick posted at 4:07 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
Great idea you have EVPAV but sadly trying to use a non-confrontational, reasonable approach with Pearce and his supporting bad of racist vigilantes will get you no where.
The AZ brand of the conservative christian majority that supports our backwards looking legislature will never, never ever, listen to reasonable, main stream people or their ideas. If you don't think so just look at all the flaming screeds being posted here slamming the organization and it's stated goals as anti-American, godless secularism and screeching that you stand for open borders with Mexico.
Sorry to say but to fight a winning fight the EVPAV will have to adopt many of the neo-terror and race based fear mongering tactics of Pearce and his vigilantes by wearing American flag themed shirts, strapping on handguns and AR-15s and praise jeezuz like it's a Pentacostal tent revival at your meetings and rallys - on some accomodating church property of course - to have a chance to even get your progressive positions heard...
ElPeneDeCaballo posted at 4:22 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
This group is an enemy of, and traitor to, the United States.
AZMomma posted at 5:18 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
What does that name translate to in Spanish?
They are poseurs, wanting face time and useless to the very "ideals" they espouse.
Too bad they are not using their talent to save little kids sold/sent from home into Kiddie Porn slavery, found in Drop Houses or endangered by the very noble groups they support.
They are hypocrites.
TruthSeeker posted at 5:23 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
These "patriots" claim that most AZ citizens aren't in favor of SB 1070 yet about 70% of citizens do, including Hispanics. And most people aren't in favor of Senator Pearce's views, yet somehow he keeps getting re-elected. Simply amazing, isn't it? Their defensive stance in this photo shows that they are indignant and just don't want to believe the truth. All that's missing is their Mexican flag. They are entitled to their opinion, but they are in the minority. Lucky for the majority that we believe people should come here legally and not just invade a foreign country without paperwork.
azowl500 posted at 5:40 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
This group seems to be trying to handle these major issues in a civil manner and to find a practical solution that moves our state forward. Hard to see why anyone would have a problem with that. There really is no reason to spew hatred if your cause is just and consistent with God's instructions on how to treat his people. I guess if the facts or society are not on your side, all that is left is to attack. I wish this group luck and offer my support. They are trying to get us back to one of the values that made the country great -- willingness to compromise amongst those with different views. The immediate hatred in some of these letters is the challenge, of course.
mlimberg posted at 6:20 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
Pearce has it right, and does not go far enough. It's time poeple get back to the rule of law, I don't care who they are. Now Arizona is an official Pothead State... that should be something every father and grand father needs to teach their children. Enough already. Drug, crime, disregard for America's border are all stepping stones to a distroyed Country. I'll debate you folks, just name the place, I'll be there.
ofuque2 posted at 6:20 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
I think it is a VERY sad day when people think that it is better to try to change our laws by NOT enforcing them. Getting local politicians to back their ideas will only result in huge turnovers in our local governments. There is wide-ranging support for Pearce's illegal immigration ideas and not just in our state. These idiots would do far better to pick their fights wisely. They could oppose some of Pearce's tax ideas, but they should leave the immigration conflict alone. If they go after that, they will lose and lose big time!! Just like Arpaio, Pearce keeps getting re-elected over and over by a wide margin. The people have spoken and keep right on speaking at the polls.
Rich posted at 7:56 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
OK, nobody realizes the problem, therefore there is no solution. You don't ask the right questions, nobody gives the right answers. The problem with Russell Pearce? Too much power. Power corrupts. Look at the system. It was built to create a minimum framework of order so that we would all be free to be ourselves. Now we get told how often to mow our lawns, how our house should look, where to park our cars on our own property and how long we get to fix a flat tire. A third of us have HOAs that dictate how we live in our own homes. In order to feel safe we have to allow someone to feel us up to take a trip to Toledo. Our government was supposed to be limited, it isn't, you have to be accused of a felony for the Bill of Rights to even apply to you.
Immigrants, hell we all are, from those who walked across the Bering Straights to those who stay after shopping in Douglas. The only reason it's 'illegal' is to make work for bureaucrats who don't want to work, so it takes ten times too many of them. Laws? We've been making them well over two centuries and there are too many of them. So many we all break a dozen or more daily. Made on the national, state, county, city levels, God doesn't know all of them.
I'd like to see a politician who wants to go back to the original plan. Bare minimum to keep order, be yourself don't hurt other people. But there are laws against this, and laws against that, this legal society just ain't where it's at.
Follow the Constitution, long lawn? They can't make you cut it, that's involuntary servitude, illegal. They don't like the size of your signs? Tough beans, First Amendment. I'm tired of accused Felons with rights I don't have.
Russell Pearce? He's just finding a way to pick your pocket, illegally, if you believe the Constitution is law, not a suggestion. Idiocy is a national disease, let's see a charity (tax exmept of course) to fight it!
VivaSB1070 posted at 8:17 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
A trio of traitors, plain and simple.
God Bless Senator Russell Pearce. Keep on fighting for us Senator. The majority of Arizona and US citizens support you and are against illegal immigration.
We won't be hearing much more from these clowns as Senator Pearce and others are representing the LEGAL CITIZENS of Arizona, they have the power and the people behind them.
These guys are just more open borders trash.
Rich posted at 8:44 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
Whats a 'legal' system of Arizona, or for that matter a LEGAL CITIZEN? Half these people you call illegals had an ancestor here when my ancestors landed at Plymouth Rock. Of course I had another ancestor at the time who lived in the Carolinas and our ancestors walked across the Bering straights (he was my great grandfather and a bit of a drunk). WE never needed a nut ball like you to tell us where to live. We decided. I think they do, and frankly would rather have one of them move in next door than you. They're better people than the weak crying nobodies who we let in because we felt sorry for them. Your ancestors, no doubt.
rrjenn posted at 9:34 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
abimopectore, I would think those Mexican values he speaks about tend to do with getting as many Mexican into the US as humanly possible. Heck, they give them maps and info on where to cross and how to blend in.
LinMesa posted at 9:48 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
"Pearce has it right, and does not go far enough. It's time people get back to the rule of law"
This just proves what a hypocrite Russell Pearce is. He never served any time for the laws he broke. He managed to get away with all of it and you think that is "having it right."
Rich posted at 11:29 pm on Sat, Dec 11, 2010.
Okay,azjenn, Let's see how you do it,Be fair, do the math, secure the borders and deport all illegal immigrants. How much of the GDP do you commit to the border? Give me another figure to deport all 'illegal immigrants'? as a percentage of the GDP? Do it in a year. Can you deport 14 million? Find them? Allow them due process? Jail them at a rate of about 40,000 daily, 24/7? Show me reality, you're chance. So kind of deal in reality, Historically, you can't seal the border, closest the great wall of China within our money cost, in your Current money cost three times our government's yearly income in real money and it failed. Your only message is that you don't like people who aren't like you.
rrjenn posted at 8:17 am on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
Rich, it doesn't take a squirrel's brain to see that if you take away the incentives to come here they will repatriate themselves. But you don't want to penalize businesses for knowingly hiring them and heaven forbid we should harass one Latino American because we questioned his or her legality. You wont let us bar them from receiving social services because that would be inhumane, and no matter what nappy says, they haven't ever really tried to seal the border. All we really have to do is use the same methods Mexico uses to keep Guatemalans from invading Mexico's southern border.
So, it all really boils down to one thing. Too many special interest don't want the illegals deported, but they all run around like the bobble heads that they are, spouting little gems like it would cost too much to deport them all, or it's too inhuman. But you know what really burns my azz more than anything else? People like you Rich who refuse to consider American's need for jobs and their childrens need for an education. Keeping illegals is costing America too much money when we have less to give. It's time to end this charade and send them packing. Rich, when are you azzclowns going to stop singing this song about how we can't possibly deport them all? It's foolish nonsense and you know it.
Dale Whiting posted at 9:11 am on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
Look Gang,
To all of you who support SB1070, most probably being conservatives who would follow the Constitution and facilitate law enforcement, know this. SB1070 is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Wait and see, then you may either cast stones a these three, Rich and those who are seeking a better way to solve the unsolvable.
Case in point. Prohibition was enacted as a Constitutional Amendment. Prohibition was constitutional. But Prohibition did not solve the problem, just as Rich points out. So when organized crime violated the Constitution with near impunity, just to meet the demands of otherwise law abiding citizens who wanted to consume alcohol, the Constitution was changed.
SB 1070 is not about enforcement, it is about who is empowered to enforce laws and who is not. Where at one time Sheriff Joe had permission to enforce federal law, it was taken from him for his behavior. In effect SB1070 sought to give Sheriff Joe, numerous other sheriffs and local authorities virtually carte blanche to devise their own enforcement schemes. As usual Sheriff Joe chose those which made him favorable headlines. Law enforcment is not about making favorable headlines.
Congratulations to these three who bravely call the bluff of our Arizona elected officials, Jan Brewer, Russell Pearce, and Joe Arpaio. Let's focus on problem solving, not problem creating.
Dale Whiting posted at 9:20 am on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
Lost the alternative thought. "Wait [for the results of the Court challenge] and see> Then you may either cast stones a these three, Rich and those who are seeking a better way to solve the unsolvable," and say "told you so!" or you can retreat with your tails between your legs and join in with the reasonable conversations aimed at finding solutions. But no true conservative can stand by silently while an unconstitutional law is being challenged and criticise those who challenge it. Allowing unconstututional law to take effect is LIBERAL not Conservative thinking.
For you "enforecment at all costs" thinkers, explain Prohibition. Why didn't we just lock Al Capone up? Answer: "We did and he was replaced by the next daring entrepeneur!" We are looking for solutions that cure the problem, not just address it ineffectively!
Rich posted at 9:22 am on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
Don't see the math rrjen, could it be that you can't do it? We need jobs, going after businesses employs lawyers, but no one else, everyone else loses. Carrying "papers" and kowtowing to anyone in a uniform is just disgusting. Hate is a powerful force, fed by fear and feelings of inferiority. Face reality and stop the nonsense, if you can't do the math go back to school and learn. How many people do you have to deport a minute to get rid of them in a decade? Do the math, if you can. And rely on yourself, not demagogues like Pearce, get over your inferiority complex and irrational fears of people who don't look like you.
EmperorSmith posted at 12:54 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
What involves building a wall? Steal either recycled or produced raw, both are from steal mill. Then there is trucking the material to the site. The site has to be surveyed and prepared for construction. then the workers that erect the wall. That is a ready made project, all by American workers that are well paid.
TruthSeeker posted at 2:30 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/dhs-confirms-cheaper-to-deport-every-illegal-alien-than-allowing-them-to-stay
DHS confirms cheaper to deport every illegal alien than allowing them to stay
December 8th, 2010
On December 3, Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs, Nelson Peacock, responding to request from several U.S. Senators, including Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), wrote: “Our conservative estimate suggests that ICE would require a budget of more than $135 billion to apprehend, detain and remove the nation’s entire illegal immigrant population.”…
EmperorSmith posted at 3:49 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
Like Utah so much move there
rrjenn posted at 6:10 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
Ok Rich so show us the math. Show us why we can go to the moon and back yet can't stop an inferior people from invading our country. Show us how we can invade Nazi occupied Europe and defeat the entire German army and the entire Japanese army but can't stop this invasion from the south or remove a few million of them already in our country. You talk about math, but all you say is what we can't do so lets not even try. You my friend are not what built this great country. You and people like you are what is so desperately wrong with it.
Rich posted at 7:15 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
"The site has to be surveyed and prepared for construction. then the workers that erect the wall. That is a ready made project, all by American workers that are well paid." And it will work as well as the wall the Chinese built.
rrjen, so you can't do the math. People who rant about "inferior people" usually can't.
EmperorSmith posted at 7:59 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
I don't care who comes here as long as they leave the third world cesspool behind. If I want to live in a place like that i will move there.
EmperorSmith posted at 9:45 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
left right front or center at least we are thinking about it
EmperorSmith posted at 10:03 pm on Sun, Dec 12, 2010.
Rich the Chinese wall is a impressive feat that can be seen from orbit but how old is that stone wall technology
Rich posted at 8:55 am on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
"Rich the Chinese wall is a impressive feat..." That failed utterly in its purpose. If you want a more technologically based example try the Maginot Line. History is replete with examples of such schemes failing. The Romans tried to keep the Scots out a Britain with Hadrian.s wall. The reason they figure in history is their failures.
rrjenn posted at 9:21 am on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
Yup, Rich is right. No matter what we do it will fail because we can't do it and they will always win and so on and so on till it makes you want to puke. Please don't even try cause it will cost money and it's not the right solution and after all they aren't really criminals so stop trying. All you have to say is that we will never ever be able to stop the invasion so we should educate all those little anchor babies so they will support us when we get old and why not cause they were here first and so on and so on. Where's the math Rich? Impress us with your math skills.
Rich is an open border advocate that doesn't want the US to annex Mexico. No, he wants Mexico to annex the US so that we will all live in the same sheethole of a country that they do now.
He rants on continuously about how we can never in our wildest dreams stop this invasion or remove 20 million invaders here now so we should all just shut up and learn to like it. We keep losing jobs here in the US but illegals just keep pouring in and he loves the fact that you can't find a job at a wage you can live on. Rich, you need to go live in Mexico instead of trying to bring it here.
SeanRoe posted at 9:25 am on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
Its still comes down to one important fact, when a person steps into this country illegally, he or she is a criminal, and should be treated as such. Until the law is changed (which I support), they are criminals and should be treated as such.
come_legally posted at 10:37 am on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
I commend Sen Pearce on his fight for AMERICAN CITIZENS. You know, TAX PAYERS. I have no problem with anyone who wants to come to america for that so called better life but please come LEGALLY or do not come at all. Help pay taxes, help pay for the services that you are using or do not come here. I also fully support Mr. Pearce's objective on fixing the 14th amendment so that illegal aliens can no longer use it to drop their anchor kids here. Anchor babies will NEVER be citizens as far as I'm concerned.
come_legally posted at 10:40 am on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
We need a 100 ft deep by 500 ft wide moat at the border, with an electric fence on the other side, this way if they swim the moat they get electrocuted by the fence. Come legally or do not come at all. Friends don't let friends date anchor babies.
Masterrogue666 posted at 1:00 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
I disagree. I think Pearce has the right idea, and about 70% of US citizens agree. Makes me wonder how many ILLEGAL ALIENS they've hired....
EmperorSmith posted at 1:32 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
How do you know the wall failed? and the Germans went around the Maginot wall and the Haden wall was a joke.
EmperorSmith posted at 1:33 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
one wall did work and it was the iron current.
EmperorSmith posted at 1:41 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
curtain
Rich posted at 5:48 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
You know when the Trib continues to censor the middle of an argument, it loses sense on both sides. Nothing remains rational and the dialectic collapses. I understand the need for the Trib to gain an audience, but this way they are only pursuing high school drop-outs with IQs in two figures.
samkat posted at 5:52 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
They are not patriots and as far as I am concerned, they can stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. Contrary to what these bozos have to say, we have been overrun by illegals and it isn't getting any better with Obama non enforcement. For every illegal deprived of a job, one more American will be able to apply. Jail the employers who willfully violate the law. Withhold social services and then allow the illegals to depart with no penalty. That is the most humane thing to do.
EmperorSmith posted at 6:11 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
Well said Rich that covers you and those 3 old men.
kochoo posted at 7:10 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
I can not believe the stupidity of politicians, media and most of the people. I don't have a problem with sending the illegals back to their country. what I oppose is the fact that they are only targeting the Mexicans. The Mexicans are only 20% of the illegals in this country. There are illegals from all over the world go to nail salons all over this country whether it is a small town or large city Asians are there. There are Croatians, Russians, Nigerians, Irish, Italians I have an Italian friend who owns a restaurant and has been an illegal for over 20 years. Why is Brewer, Pearce & Arpio only going after the Mexicans? The people from other countries go into business and don't have to e-verify. The people who support sb1070 are unformed uneducated and are only Racists. Lets get all illegals not just one group. Hurry for East Vally Patriots.
Rich posted at 7:56 pm on Mon, Dec 13, 2010.
Patriotism - The last refuge of a scoundrel, -Samuel Johnson
or
Patriotism - An irrational veneration of real estate over principle. - George Jean Nathan
I prefer Ambrose Bearce who differed with Dr. Johnson in that he thought it was the first, not the last. Lately it sure appears that way.
rrjenn posted at 11:18 am on Tue, Dec 14, 2010.
kochoo
First off, what makes you think we're going after just Mexican illegals? Brewer, Pearce & Arpaio may seem to be only going after the Mexicans because that is who the illegals mainly are here in Arizona. Illegal Mexican aliens account for nearly 50% of all illegals in America and closer to 100% of the illegals here in Arizona.
rrjenn posted at 7:16 pm on Tue, Dec 14, 2010.
Rich I see you still have problemos with semantics. Go back to English 1a and learn English this time. Then maybe you will understand what legal and citizen mean. Hey folks, lets all give the country back to the cave people who lived here first! Sometimes you azzclowns really crack me up.
And how bout this bozo group that says a set of five broad principles that call for stronger federal enforcement. Don't these idiots know they feds wont ever do anything about immigration and that we finally have people with nards big enough to take it on? And having local law enforcement focus on criminal behavior but not immigration law. That is what we are doing azzclowns! Illegal immigration is a crime! And not allowing families to be broken up? Yup, we're doing that too, and as soon as we get rid of the anchor baby cr*p they will all go home together.
Rich posted at 10:16 pm on Tue, Dec 14, 2010.
Legal-
A- A social contract between rulers and those ruled for the mutual good of the ruled (old English)
B- Whatever a bunch of drunks and incompetents figure to play on irrational fear, inferiority, and insecurity to line their pockets. (Modern American Usage)
Citizen-
A fan of misrule who prefers a certain block of real estate.
rrjenn posted at 11:26 am on Wed, Dec 15, 2010.
Read it and weep Jose Illegal because your time here is short.
Rep. Steve King, the Republican who is expected to lead the main subcommittee on immigration in the House of Representatives in the new congress next year said on Monday that he will push for a bill that would cancel employers’ tax deductions for wages of workers who are illegal immigrants.
Mr. King said his measure would increase pressure on employers to fire unauthorized immigrant workers by increasing their cost. He estimated that if employers were not able to claim tax deductions for those workers’ wages and benefits, an unauthorized immigrant making $10 an hour would cost the employer the equivalent of $16 an hour.
EmperorSmith posted at 12:38 pm on Wed, Dec 15, 2010.
Side note, Rich is right on EVT censorship BS, might not like what someones say but let them say it.
VofReason posted at 2:31 pm on Wed, Dec 15, 2010.
Yes, so many people disagree with Pearce that he just keeps getting elected over and over again. Must have been a mistake that he is now heading up the State Legislature. Nope, he doesn't speak for the state, we were all swindled by those evil rich republicans. Good thing three guys that no one has ever voted for or heard of are here to set the record straight.
rrjenn posted at 9:02 am on Fri, Dec 17, 2010.
Report points to faster recovery in jobs for immigrants
Native-born Americans lost more than a million jobs while foreign-born workers gained hundreds of thousands of jobs as the country emerged from a painful recession, according to a new analysis of economic trends.
In the second quarter of this year, foreign-born workers gained 656,000 jobs, compared with the period last year, and native-born workers lost 1.2 million jobs, according to a report issued Friday by the Pew Hispanic Center.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102906669.html
rrjenn posted at 9:06 am on Fri, Dec 17, 2010.
Based on a detailed analysis of Labor Department statistics, the report is sure to inflame the already charged national debate over immigration. It also adds fuel to the fire over the larger question of whether immigration is a fundamentally good thing or bad thing for the American economy.
"Our government has continued to bring in more foreign workers the entire time the economy was losing jobs," said Roy Beck, president of Numbers USA, a group that seeks to reduce immigration.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102906669.html
rrjenn posted at 9:10 am on Fri, Dec 17, 2010.
The report emphasizes job losses and gains among Hispanic workers because they make up the lion's share of the foreign-born workforce. In construction, foreign-born Hispanics gained 98,000 jobs between the second quarter of this year and the second quarter of last year; native-born Hispanics lost 133,000 jobs; and native born non-Hispanics lost 511,000 jobs.
In the finance, insurance and real estate sector, foreign-born Hispanic workers gained 26,000 jobs; native-born Hispanic workers lost 18,000 jobs; and native born non-Hispanics lost 112,000 jobs.
In some sectors, some native-born workers gained jobs, but those gains were outpaced by the gains of foreign-born workers. In personal and household services, foreign-born Hispanic workers gained 35,000 jobs and native-born Hispanic workers gained 10,000 jobs. Native born non-Hispanics lost 113,000 jobs.
Kochhar, pointing to one factor that might explain the data, said real wages for foreign-born workers fell by about 7 percent, and wages for native-born workers remained flat. Foreign-born workers may also be more mobile, as well as more desperate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102906669.html
EmperorSmith posted at 12:23 pm on Fri, Dec 17, 2010.
Shame some can not learn to temper there comments, i think that those goes for all points of view.
rrjenn posted at 9:51 am on Thu, Dec 23, 2010.
Here's some new math for you Rich:
New Census Data Reveal Immigration is Fueling Runaway U.S. Population Growth
(Washington, D.C. -- December 21, 2010) Today’s release of 2010 Census data reveal that U.S. population grew by more than 27 million during the last decade – representing a nearly ten percent increase in our population in just ten years. The single largest factor in this enormous, and unwelcome, increase was excessive legal and illegal immigration.
Here is how the math works:
* During the past decade, about 13 million new immigrants arrived in the United States legally and illegally. Accounting for emigration and deaths, the net foreign-born population increased by some 8 million people.
* An additional 10 million births to foreign-born women were recorded during the 2000 decade.
* Net immigration plus births to immigrants swelled the U.S. population by some 18 million people during the previous decade, accounting for about two-thirds of the population growth during that period.
* The population surge of the 2000s was the third largest in U.S. history, exceeded only by the 1950s and 1990s.
The new data also confirm warnings by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) that continued mass immigration places this country on an unsustainable population growth trajectory. Unless significant reductions in overall immigration to the United States are enacted, soaring U.S. population growth will further strain our natural resources and steadily diminish quality of life for all Americans.
"The 2010 Census data provide further evidence that U.S. immigration policies are damaging our nation and jeopardizing our future," noted Dan Stein, president of FAIR. "It is increasingly clear that our immigration policies are divorced from the social, economic and environmental realities that face our nation. While the vast majority of Americans want to see our population stabilized, the federal government maintains immigration policies that, conservatively estimated, will account for the lion’s share of an additional 130 million Americans by mid-century."
Since its inception in 1979, FAIR has consistently advocated for immigration policies that help stabilize the population. "It is hard to conceive of any benefits resulting from continued population growth of the size we experienced over the past ten years," said Stein. "Yet, the rapid and damaging population increases this nation has experienced over the past three decades have been largely a result of our refusal to rein-in runaway immigration.
"If we are serious about addressing issues like resource depletion, urban sprawl, and environmental degradation, we had better get serious about addressing our nation’s failed immigration policies. The new Census data remind us, yet again, that we owe it to future generations of Americans to make rational decisions to reduce immigration to the United States," Stein concluded.
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